You can throw in thank god for the show WWE (yea its staged soap opera atheletes) but if steroids are worst WRESTLING does
and if NBA has evolved where once talent ex-laker gangster Javaris Crittenton's crime(s) leading to Jail, which NE Pats
ex-star TE Aaron Hernandez duplicated far worst than ever imagined in Pro sports.

Javaris C.

Aaron H.

Then I'd say NBA is in a good place in terms of it's products, its problems and growth in USA & internationally far far worst than the National Football League As_shole superstars and bit players such as PANTHERs Greg Hardy.

Please throw in my 6th favorite sports entertainment WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) which is now like NBA more entertaining than the NFL we love. Wrestling is a show but they ain't in news recently for ALL the wrong things!

Case in point come to superstars NFL vikings Adrian Peterson and ravens Ray Rice, being millionaires adored superstars isnt enough for these fools OR REAL MEN They believe they are for beating up peoples weaker than themselves, you now throw in big bad 6' 4" Greg Hardy DE for panthers. Imagine that ! What a NFL Farce and ya know what ? GOOD FOR THEM!

In NFL we care for such stars at least RICE and ADRIAN, for our fantasy NFL team stats.
If these guys left for WWE We'd not care a squat & they'd get into less trouble.

Adrian Peterson:
http://gawker.com/columnist-adrian-peterson-is-a-jerk-because-his-son-wa-1444807487
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/its-looking-as-if-adrian-peterson-isnt-a-huge-fan-of-condoms/

Greg Hardy:
http://parttimerssportspodcast.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/the-greg-hardy-fella-sure-sounds-like-a-swell-guy/?preview=true&preview_id=339&preview_nonce=c7e44345e8&post_format=standard

And forumer's ask yo'self this why dont Adrian Petersen, Ray Rice or even Greg Hardy go join the WWE if their cowardice
wants to enforce strength bullying and just bad attitudes to harm the weak. Eh ?

Adrian P. big hugetime star with his 7-kids self what 3- 4 baby mama's ?
Sad.. I always liked him but don't understand his mess.

Aaron Hernandez is far far from a coward, he's facing the music & it ain't good... Maybe he will change for better? maybe?
Vick and Burress two far different NFL stories did horrible things and their NFL careers took downswing ever since but
M.Vick and P.Burress only 2 NFL'ers whom changed and whether ya like them OR not gotta respect their fight to earn it!
Since I'm a Steeler fan I'd be ignorant not to throw in Big Ben Rothisberger in mix of offenders with Star$ paying job.
But I pray for Big Ben since I'm R.Catholic, I pray for everyone in this post mentioned.

I ain't perfect either! I am trying and learn alot from the world, from other races, my own races. Life is 24x7 learning lesson.

The earlier NFL'ers HOF huge superstar OJ Simpson (I'm afro american dont matter) in jail suffering for the events which took life.
He's in jail sick and hasn't learned squat. Bad bad story there. THE NFL Got a whole helluva lot of BAD BAD stories here.

You now had recently the Aaron Hernandez alleged murders, the shootings such as at superbowls
(Broncos players, Ravens player R.Lewis )

Makes all the Michael Vick and Plexico Burress seem tame,
Vick and Burress at least are now more in news for positive stuff as ongoing 24-7 getting their lifes right & maintaining it.

Respectively for the Ravens R.Rice, Panthers G.Hardy, 49ers R.McDonald and now Vikes A.Petersen you're innocent til' proven
guilty. So I blow off steam and these guys may be cleared of being politically correct.

Same goes for NFL Commish Roger S. Goodell.. correct ?

All in all the NBA Knickerbockers and 2014/15 season can't start too soon.

GO NY KNICKERBOCKERS! can't wait.
what worse can happen? Ray Felton ? oops ex-knick his A_ss gone long before season. Thank you Knick Management...sincerly
lost Chris Davis of Baltimore on one of DJ's fantasy MLB teams in Fantasy playoffs. so what ?

KNICKS & NBA
Can't wait !

quoting Bart Scott ex-NFL'er

NardDogNation wrote:I don't watch sports to be a better person. I watch it for entertainment, as it was intended to be consumed. I could care less what happens in a player's personnel life so long as they put on a good show. Not sure why I should care much more beyond that.

Well if u don't have kids or family
Its a sick statement to make you couldn't care less? Eh ? What goes on
So Adrian P. Beating his little son abusively is ok with you

Dont know whom I'm talking to as much as can't believe what I hear with that notion.
That's too bad

Aaron Hernandez was the tipping point but his story is about a gangbanger who goes to school and enabled by the system that rewards on field performance there and as a "Professional".
Its a familiar story where athletes are excused from many of societies rules because of their skills. They are elite priviledged and more so when they have the money for lawyers.

Is it wrong? Its real. The wealthy are priviledged. Always has been.

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Funny (not really), but this country's spent decades teaching that:

1) Humans are no different than animals. A dog is a pig is a boy is an ant.
2) Nothing's truly bad, unless you happen to get caught. Still, it's not really any one else's business anyway.
3) The family is nothing but a patriarchal contrivance aimed at keeping women down.
4) Marriage is meaningless, and should be treated as such. At the very least it shouldn't be nearly as important as a contract for a used car.
5) Entertainment is the key to life.
6) Children can be viewed as an unwanted, inconvenient burden.
7) Summarily, it's your economy that truly matters.

Now complain about child abuse in dysfunctional single parent homes funded by millions of entertainment dollars.

And no one is maintaining that child abuse doesn't occur in traditional, married families. Plenty of folks take the spare the rod verse way too far. Just like they do with other biblical precepts.

But tell me how any of the numbered points would net you anything but an environment that's ripe for what's suddently wrong when the scars and bruises show up in some doctor's office somewhere.

You're right. We should all take a time machine back 2,000 years and follow a book that advocates stoning your kid to death if he/she is disobedient. That clearly is morality at its finest! Do that today and you'll have Child Services in your ass. Unbelievable! This is what happens when you let these goddamn liberals run a muck.

Another brilliant retort from the board's morality meter. Time travel. Actually, the book dates back before 2000 years ago, but feel free to enlighten us on how great this very second's up-to-date morality is working out for all of us. Especially in the cases we're all discussing in this thread.

Oh that's right, you really don't care, because you're just actually concerned with only what the 2-D images do on TV.

Now tell us how religion and ol' BS texts are the basis for everything wrong in the world, including Adrian Peterson's current problem. Dayum lunatic fundamentalists!

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Funny (not really), but this country's spent decades teaching that:

1) Humans are no different than animals. A dog is a pig is a boy is an ant.
2) Nothing's truly bad, unless you happen to get caught. Still, it's not really any one else's business anyway.
3) The family is nothing but a patriarchal contrivance aimed at keeping women down.
4) Marriage is meaningless, and should be treated as such. At the very least it shouldn't be nearly as important as a contract for a used car.
5) Entertainment is the key to life.
6) Children can be viewed as an unwanted, inconvenient burden.
7) Summarily, it's your economy that truly matters.

Now complain about child abuse in dysfunctional single parent homes funded by millions of entertainment dollars.

And no one is maintaining that child abuse doesn't occur in traditional, married families. Plenty of folks take the spare the rod verse way too far. Just like they do with other biblical precepts.

But tell me how any of the numbered points would net you anything but an environment that's ripe for what's suddently wrong when the scars and bruises show up in some doctor's office somewhere.

You're right. We should all take a time machine back 2,000 years and follow a book that advocates stoning your kid to death if he/she is disobedient. That clearly is morality at its finest! Do that today and you'll have Child Services in your ass. Unbelievable! This is what happens when you let these goddamn liberals run a muck.

Another brilliant retort from the board's morality meter. Time travel. Actually, the book dates back before 2000 years ago, but feel free to enlighten us on how great this very second's up-to-date morality is working out for all of us. Especially in the cases we're all discussing in this thread.

Oh that's right, you really don't care, because you're just actually concerned with only what the 2-D images do on TV.

Now tell us how religion and ol' BS texts are the basis for everything wrong in the world, including Adrian Peterson's current problem. Dayum lunatic fundamentalists!

My apologies. I should've known that a "scholar", such as yourself, needed an exact date for when the Bible was written. After all, this point was clearly the crux of my post.

But while we're on the topic of Adrian Peterson, it seems as though the "2-D images on TV" had nothing to do with him pummeling his 4 year old son until he drew blood. His miracle book, however, certainly did and has left him feeling more than righteous about his actions:

"People understand that if you are on God's course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter!....Its your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered don’t stress or worry!"-Adrian Peterson

And who could blame him? He was well within his right to stone that little mother****er to death! The kid should feel lucky that he got off easy! After all, Adrian Peterson is a man of God. It's why he impregnated 7 different strippers out of wedlock. You got to ask yourself, who better to have raise your seed than women who have no other marketable skills besides taking their clothes off for money? Stay classy Adrian....but most important of all, stay Christian! Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and have Dwight Howard lecture me about the gospel as he chases former dolla' ho porn star, Mary Carey through her home as he misses child support payments for his 4 "baby mamas"

Excellent, I forgot, you're not an idiot. So let's get into a pissing contest that amounts to determining the worth of morality by it's abuse. Without any thought or analysis beyond googling some quotes. I'm sure all your hard work proves that all Christians are exactly like Adrian Peterson and DHow, right?

Don't care to comment on the list above, beyond the canned OT reference?

By the way, aren't all atheist atheletes just like Stalin and Pol Pot?

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Funny (not really), but this country's spent decades teaching that:

1) Humans are no different than animals. A dog is a pig is a boy is an ant.
2) Nothing's truly bad, unless you happen to get caught. Still, it's not really any one else's business anyway.
3) The family is nothing but a patriarchal contrivance aimed at keeping women down.
4) Marriage is meaningless, and should be treated as such. At the very least it shouldn't be nearly as important as a contract for a used car.
5) Entertainment is the key to life.
6) Children can be viewed as an unwanted, inconvenient burden.
7) Summarily, it's your economy that truly matters.

Now complain about child abuse in dysfunctional single parent homes funded by millions of entertainment dollars.

And no one is maintaining that child abuse doesn't occur in traditional, married families. Plenty of folks take the spare the rod verse way too far. Just like they do with other biblical precepts.

But tell me how any of the numbered points would net you anything but an environment that's ripe for what's suddently wrong when the scars and bruises show up in some doctor's office somewhere.

You're right. We should all take a time machine back 2,000 years and follow a book that advocates stoning your kid to death if he/she is disobedient. That clearly is morality at its finest! Do that today and you'll have Child Services in your ass. Unbelievable! This is what happens when you let these goddamn liberals run a muck.

Another brilliant retort from the board's morality meter. Time travel. Actually, the book dates back before 2000 years ago, but feel free to enlighten us on how great this very second's up-to-date morality is working out for all of us. Especially in the cases we're all discussing in this thread.

Oh that's right, you really don't care, because you're just actually concerned with only what the 2-D images do on TV.

Now tell us how religion and ol' BS texts are the basis for everything wrong in the world, including Adrian Peterson's current problem. Dayum lunatic fundamentalists!

My apologies. I should've known that a "scholar", such as yourself, needed an exact date for when the Bible was written. After all, this point was clearly the crux of my post.

But while we're on the topic of Adrian Peterson, it seems as though the "2-D images on TV" had nothing to do with him pummeling his 4 year old son until he drew blood. His miracle book, however, certainly did and has left him feeling more than righteous about his actions:

"People understand that if you are on God's course and suppose to have that position and man decides to remove you know that God will remove everyone to place you rightfully! You matter!....Its your season! Weapons may form but won’t prosper! God has you covered don’t stress or worry!"-Adrian Peterson

And who could blame him? He was well within his right to stone that little mother****er to death! The kid should feel lucky that he got off easy! After all, Adrian Peterson is a man of God. It's why he impregnated 7 different strippers out of wedlock. You got to ask yourself, who better to have raise your seed than women who have no other marketable skills besides taking their clothes off for money? Stay classy Adrian....but most important of all, stay Christian! Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and have Dwight Howard lecture me about the gospel as he chases former dolla' ho porn star, Mary Carey through her home as he misses child support payments for his 4 "baby mamas"

Excellent, I forgot, you're not an idiot. So let's get into a pissing contest that amounts to determining the worth of morality by it's abuse. Without any thought or analysis beyond googling some quotes. I'm sure all your hard work proves that all Christians are exactly like Adrian Peterson and DHow, right?

Don't care to comment on the list above, beyond the canned OT reference?

By the way, aren't all atheist atheletes just like Stalin and Pol Pot?

I understand that nuance is not your strong-suit, so I'll explain my post as I would to a child. People are people. Some are more malevolent than others...some are more benevolent than others but we all are some combination of the two to varying extents. Yes, atheists/agnostics have Joseph Stalin in our corner but what ignorant people like you choose to ignore is that you have a plethora of men like King Ferdinand II who initiated the Spanish Inquisition, which saw the torture, extermination, expulsion or conversion of all religious minorities in Spain for 500 years; you fail to acknowledge the Crusades or other Christian-sponsored genocides that have taken place across multiple continents; you fail to acknowledge the Salem Witch trials, etc. Bad people are going to be bad people regardless of whatever creed or doctrine they follow.

HOWEVER...

Religions, especially Christianity, have a number of items in them that are used to perpetuate and legitimize their misdeeds. As I said before, Adrian Peterson feels more than justified for beating the **** out of his kid because of these little tidbits in the bible...

Blows that wound cleanse away evil; strokes make clean the innermost parts. Proverbs 20:30

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24

And if all else fails...

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place....And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

That nonsense leads to men like Adrian Peterson hitting the kid in the genitals and the following, while feeling justified in their actions....

Or to stuff like this...

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/28/man-kills-4-year-old-boy-he-thought-was-gay/

Or the dozens of quotes that justify "disciplining" your wife, owning slaves, killing anyone that has differing opinions to you or your religion, etc. Stuff like this would never be endorsed by a majority of atheists or agnostics. In fact, most of us have become atheists or agnostics from being all too aware of the hypocrisies and immorality in the Bible and the religious texts of organized religions.

Again, where is the outrage like the outrage towards Ray Rice? Oh right there are no Child groups as their are women and feminist groups.

Children are absolutely defenseless. Peterson took it too far. Anyone who defends him is complete idiot ala Charles Barkley who just stereotyped the whole south. Wasn't he critical of Donald Sterling?

The NFL will fudge this one up too