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F500ONE
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8/30/2014 4:28 PM LAST EDITED: 8/30/2014 4:45 PM
F500ONE wrote:nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Where were Jose and Felton ranked in 2012-2013
Youtube videos that you'd have those links I politely asked for
I can back ALL OF MY TALK UP WITH LINKS AND VIDEOS
I had a hunch you would play hide and go seek after I asked
In Portland it was his absolute worst season of his career at this juncture
Did you support bringing Felton back, do you have the guts to answer this direct question
Did you think by adding him he would spike our win total from 36 to 50gms
Me personally I didn't like the idea of bringing him back, especially via S&T
Felton is what his is a middle of the road starting point guard
Go look at his numbers prior to coming here, they look relatively the same as
Lo and Behold his last season with us And all of a sudden according to most Knicks primarily you He is the worst starting point guard in the NBA
We were begging for his hand to heal as I believe we were 6-7 without him
http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/10/nba-point-guard-rankings-2013-14/raymond-felton
As of the here and now Calderon is more than likely Ranked ahead of Felton No it's not because Calderon all of a sudden Became better than Felton My point is I don't think Felton is really any different Now than he was a few yrs ago, nor Calderon
As a talent, although Felton statistically had a down yr last yr
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F500ONE
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8/30/2014 4:37 PM
Calderon went to a 41-41 team
Along with additions of Ellis and Dalembert etc etc
How come Calderon didn't have the 10-15gm impact out there
Calderon-Dalembert-Ellis
Well we play 30gms against them this yr
The East has improved, 1-15 very much so |
nixluva
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8/30/2014 4:59 PM
F500ONE wrote:Calderon went to a 41-41 team Reading all of your drivel I can see now where you have misconceptions about what i'm saying. I have NEVER said that Jose by himself would be the reason this team would win 10 or more games this year. That's missing the point entirely. Just because we've been talking about Jose in particular doesn't mean we're saying he's like adding CP3 or DRose to the team. Let's not get crazy. I've said many times that it's the "cumulative effect" of adding Jose and removing Felton, PLUS all the other changes. We have 7 new players, a new coaching staff that has multiple Titles experience and a proven System that the team will be running, which is focused on Team Ball. Now we'll have Ball and Player movement. I think Phil has already had a positive effect on the players we have and that they are coming in ready and willing to buy into what he's asking of them. ALL OF THESE things are the reasons I feel better about this team. It's silly to think the small moves we've made like bringing in Jose all by himself would make such a huge difference. You don't like the talent we have but IMO this team has some serious offensive talent. Even in a lost season this team was 11th in offensive rating. That was playing AWFUL ISO BB. We had slumping players and injuries and a demoralized Head Coach. I think this team can be a top offensive team and with a better defensive scheme we should be able to be better than 24th in defensive rating. Perhaps now maybe you can understand where many of us are coming from. Stop oversimplifying what the current Knicks situation is. This team has had MULTIPLE areas of improvement that you fail to recognize. Nothing sexy in terms of the roster, but that wasn't what this year was about. This is just the start of the process and not the end. |
babyKnicks
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8/30/2014 5:07 PM
I'm suprised you would even have to explain this nix. It pretty obvious. It's more than just calderone that has us seeing. 10 game improvement. Look at the videos from last year. Zero coaching...zero effort.
Night and day my friends. Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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F500ONE
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8/30/2014 5:11 PM
nixluva wrote:F500ONE wrote:Calderon went to a 41-41 team
Discussing the impact of Smith-Dalembert-Larkin-Cleanthony singularly
Calderon + Triangle = 10-15gm difference
It's not that I don't like the talent
For the record I like the Calderon addition overall
His game doesn't peak or valley, very high IQ
Also the same energy I spend in breaking our team down
No need to tunnel vision our team away from the whole league
And all, trust me your write ups would show, you'd like a lot of what the competition has to offer
At the same time objectivity needs to surface surmising league assessments |
babyKnicks
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8/30/2014 5:26 PM
All I see is "show ignored post". Sorry.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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nixluva
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8/30/2014 7:26 PM
We have various threads devoted to different aspects of the current Knicks situation. Threads about the Triangle, the PF's, the guards, the coaching...
I think we've been making very comprehensive points about this years team overall. The East is tougher, but let's not get carried away. IF the Knicks hadn't thrown away a ton of games early in the year they likely would've been one of the playoff teams. We still have our top players in Melo, JR and up and coming THJ. I think the rest of the roster has plenty of capable role players. The key will be maximizing the talent we have. We started last 3-13!!! I mean that was so far below what that team should've produced. That is the kind of record you'd expect from a complete rebuild team, not a team with most of it's core returning from a 54 win season. No way that was reflective of the talent the team had and what they should've been able to do. Now the team has made some important improvements to the roster, coaching staff and style of play. It should make a huge difference. |
knickscity
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8/30/2014 7:50 PM
nixluva wrote:We have various threads devoted to different aspects of the current Knicks situation. Threads about the Triangle, the PF's, the guards, the coaching... Total proof that talent is only a piece of a successful team. The 54 win team had injuries...team struggling without a pg when Felton was injured. Shumpert still recovering from the ACL, Amare out with the debriding procedure, Camby who really never played much, Sheed done rather early, Kurt done as well, and thats on top of the coach who coached the same way for each season he's been here and the team has won games with him coaching his way. These are not excuses, the team overcame this stuff during that 54 win season. The team lost last year because the guys on the court stunk up the joint in close games, Melo included was his 1-8 clutch play record that year. Last years team lost 22 games by double figures, and that was a clear case of not being resilient, and that core is still here. Say what you will but that 54 win teams veteran prescence was immeasurable. We can only hope that the off the court veteran prescence can translate onto the court,but this isnt something Phil had to endure ever before, and nobody knows how Fisher will perform as coach. Success based on their past is NOT guaranteed, there is no Jordan Pippen & Shaq and Kobe on the floor or a Pau Gasol, or a Bynum caliber center when healthy. There is no former DPOY winners here like Artest or former 20ppg scorers who dedicated their time under Phil just being a defnder In Ron Harper. This group has major flaws and is an uphill climb, but likely could win more than last year by default. |
nixluva
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8/30/2014 10:30 PM
knickscity wrote:nixluva wrote:We have various threads devoted to different aspects of the current Knicks situation. Threads about the Triangle, the PF's, the guards, the coaching... Woody totally changed the way the team played during the 54 win season. We didn't run the same offense at all. Just look at how the team was playing to start last year. It was basically the half court MDA offense. Spread the floor and run PnR in the middle. Kidd was playing with energy and using his quick hands on D. He ran into a wall eventually, but the style of play was much different than what Woody started of going with in the 37 win season. Not only was the offense different but Woody didn't seem to have a handle on the way the defense was played the year before either. The team seemed to have no idea how they wanted to defend. That's strange for a team that returned much of it's core. Just watching a game like this one exposed so much that was wrong with the Knicks last year. The funny thing about this video is that the Bulls were running our spread offense with PnR action from the year before!!! They were able to run back cuts and slashes to the basket in addition to getting wide open 3's. That's messed up. |
H1AND1
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8/30/2014 10:44 PM LAST EDITED: 8/30/2014 10:45 PM
babyKnicks wrote:nixluva wrote:smackeddog wrote:Just out of interest- is Calderon capable of guarding SG's? or is he even worse at that than PG's? Just curious if we can have Shump on the opposing PG and put Calderon on the SG for stretches. Actually no, I am not an alarmist or even a pessimist I am simply a realist. For the record I've always been a big Calderon fan as he is one of the best jump shooters and three point shooters in the game plus he plays heady bball and is a good distributer to boot. However on defense there is absolutely no denying he is a minus. Pooh poohing away his bad defense simply cannot be done if you wanna be objective about what impact he's gonna have. At the same time, how the team plays overall is going to affect and could mitigate his D as well. We don't know yet as it's all speculation about the upcoming season at this point. |
F500ONE
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8/30/2014 10:44 PM
And the Bulls are gonna be even better this year
I saw some horrific defense by Tyson
Why no Youtube videos of how
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