fitzfarm wrote:Sorry but if amare is not traded he's starting

If I got into basketball shape, considering my age and injury history, I could be starting point guard for 8 minutes if I got extra nights off when i needed it. That's not a professional basketball player. If you can't play every night then you need to retire. Straight like that. We pay Acy and Smith money to play too. If they are healthy and ready then they should play over Amare. Being hurt is another story thing, then he should sit out. But none of this minutes restrictions bull****. Play or retire bitch

EnySpree wrote:Whatever happens with Amare he needs to play whatever minutes or role the team needs from him. If we need him to start and play 30 mind, than he needs to be available every night. Fuck this taking days off and no back to back bull****.

If I got into basketball shape, considering my age and injury history, I could be starting point guard for 8 minutes if I got extra nights off when i needed it. That's not a professional basketball player. If you can't play every night then you need to retire. Straight like that. We pay Acy and Smith money to play too. If they are healthy and ready then they should play over Amare. Being hurt is another story thing, then he should sit out. But none of this minutes restrictions bull****. Play or retire bitch

I dont think it goes like that. When a player starts to move up in age its wise to cut his minutes and some games. They started cutting Tim Duncans minutes at 28 years old and he's playing just as well at 38 than at 28. The last 4 years his average minutes are around 28- 29 per game and he's been cut to 33 or less for the last decade. Well Amare can play 24-28 minutes maybe 70 games and possibly so can Smith and Dalembart. Heck even Bargnani has not been healthy. These are not 40 minute players-remember when johan santana went to like 125 pitches to throw that no hitter--he was never the same again. The bottom line is we have older players with injury histories and they need to be on minute restrictions so we can get the most out of them. We have 5-6 bigs--we need to use all of them.

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EnySpree wrote:Whatever happens with Amare he needs to play whatever minutes or role the team needs from him. If we need him to start and play 30 mind, than he needs to be available every night. Fuck this taking days off and no back to back bull****.

If I got into basketball shape, considering my age and injury history, I could be starting point guard for 8 minutes if I got extra nights off when i needed it. That's not a professional basketball player. If you can't play every night then you need to retire. Straight like that. We pay Acy and Smith money to play too. If they are healthy and ready then they should play over Amare. Being hurt is another story thing, then he should sit out. But none of this minutes restrictions bull****. Play or retire bitch

I dont think it goes like that. When a player starts to move up in age its wise to cut his minutes and some games. They started cutting Tim Duncans minutes at 28 years old and he's playing just as well at 38 than at 28. The last 4 years his average minutes are around 28- 29 per game and he's been cut to 33 or less for the last decade. Well Amare can play 24-28 minutes maybe 70 games and possibly so can Smith and Dalembart. Heck even Bargnani has not been healthy. These are not 40 minute players-remember when johan santana went to like 125 pitches to throw that no hitter--he was never the same again. The bottom line is we have older players with injury histories and they need to be on minute restrictions so we can get the most out of them. We have 5-6 bigs--we need to use all of them.

Can't use San Antonio as an example. Pop has the most well coached team in sports. He gives guys days off all the time and that doesn't effect the outcome of games.

Last year we were taking Amare out of games when he had it going and we lost games because of it. We also kept him or if games when we absolutely needed him so he could rest. That's no good.

That's why I'm so harsh. Once training camp starts and this guy has to sit out of practice and preseason, he should not be allowed to play unless he's close to 100%. If he has to be babied let him do it in street clothes

knicks1248 wrote:I hated it when woodson would take amare out when he had it going, in fact he did that with shumpert to, shump would hit a couple of shots, get the juices flowing, then bench him..

Yeah and some might make the argument that we have a different coaching situation. There's a reason why Amare is in trade rumors. I think Phil and Fisher will not deal with that. Amare isn't that 20 plus scorer anymore. He doesn't have that type of impact on what we're doing. We're not an established winner that we can baby Amare. He doesn't rebound or play defense. He only scores.

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I hated it when woodson would take amare out when he had it going, in fact he did that with shumpert to, shump would hit a couple of shots, get the juices flowing, then bench him..

Yeah and some might make the argument that we have a different coaching situation. There's a reason why Amare is in trade rumors. I think Phil and Fisher will not deal with that. Amare isn't that 20 plus scorer anymore. He doesn't have that type of impact on what we're doing. We're not an established winner that we can baby Amare. He doesn't rebound or play defense. He only scores.

When healthy He's scores, and gets to the line at will, that's impact, and he's playing in a contract yr. Look at the positives and if the positives outweigh the negatives, thats good

Positives
Efficient scorer
very good mid range shot
Team Player
Gets to the free throw line, solid ft %
blocks shots

Negatives
Poor Defender
Avg rebounder

I don't think Amare is a team player. He talks about going to the hall of fame and becoming an all star more than making the playoffs or winning championships.

He's not a good shot blocker. He gets blocked shots on occasion and when he does its a surprise.

So my assessment puts him in the red because he's a piss poor leader, and he's not an intelligent player at all. He will score if he gets the ball but if he can't he is useless. He's completely invisible when he isn't featured. He's actually a liability because he doesn't rebound or defend.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I hated it when woodson would take amare out when he had it going, in fact he did that with shumpert to, shump would hit a couple of shots, get the juices flowing, then bench him..

Yeah and some might make the argument that we have a different coaching situation. There's a reason why Amare is in trade rumors. I think Phil and Fisher will not deal with that. Amare isn't that 20 plus scorer anymore. He doesn't have that type of impact on what we're doing. We're not an established winner that we can baby Amare. He doesn't rebound or play defense. He only scores.

When healthy He's scores, and gets to the line at will, that's impact, and he's playing in a contract yr. Look at the positives and if the positives outweigh the negatives, thats good

Positives
Efficient scorer
very good mid range shot
Team Player
Gets to the free throw line, solid ft %
blocks shots

Negatives
Poor Defender
Avg rebounder

I don't think Amare is a team player. He talks about going to the hall of fame and becoming an all star more than making the playoffs or winning championships.

He's not a good shot blocker. He gets blocked shots on occasion and when he does its a surprise.

So my assessment puts him in the red because he's a piss poor leader, and he's not an intelligent player at all. He will score if he gets the ball but if he can't he is useless. He's completely invisible when he isn't featured. He's actually a liability because he doesn't rebound or defend.

Let's see how he plays now. This system has very specific rules for each and every player. It's not a stand and wait or set pick and roll offense. He will have to learn how to 1st check to see if he has a pass to cutter which is different than he's played most of his career. I'm curious to see how they coach him up. Will he respond to it. He did learn things from Hakeem that made him better. Maybe it's possible for him to improve in other areas.

Learning how to read defenses and cutters is my problem. Amare never has had to do that. It's one thing when amare is training. He is the hardest worker when it comes to working out. Working With Hakeem was just a workout. He wants to score. That's why he picked up the post moves so fast. That's what drives him. Trying to make him play smart team ball is asking alot. The dude is Karl Malone minus the rebounding and presence in the paint. He needs a point guard to live. I can't see him operating in shaqs role effectively taking advantage of the triangle. Shaq was a fantastic passer, rebounder and defender...amare is none of the above

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I hated it when woodson would take amare out when he had it going, in fact he did that with shumpert to, shump would hit a couple of shots, get the juices flowing, then bench him..

Yeah and some might make the argument that we have a different coaching situation. There's a reason why Amare is in trade rumors. I think Phil and Fisher will not deal with that. Amare isn't that 20 plus scorer anymore. He doesn't have that type of impact on what we're doing. We're not an established winner that we can baby Amare. He doesn't rebound or play defense. He only scores.

When healthy He's scores, and gets to the line at will, that's impact, and he's playing in a contract yr. Look at the positives and if the positives outweigh the negatives, thats good

Positives
Efficient scorer
very good mid range shot
Team Player
Gets to the free throw line, solid ft %
blocks shots

Negatives
Poor Defender
Avg rebounder

I don't think Amare is a team player. He talks about going to the hall of fame and becoming an all star more than making the playoffs or winning championships.

He's not a good shot blocker. He gets blocked shots on occasion and when he does its a surprise.

So my assessment puts him in the red because he's a piss poor leader, and he's not an intelligent player at all. He will score if he gets the ball but if he can't he is useless. He's completely invisible when he isn't featured. He's actually a liability because he doesn't rebound or defend.

Let's see how he plays now. This system has very specific rules for each and every player. It's not a stand and wait or set pick and roll offense. He will have to learn how to 1st check to see if he has a pass to cutter which is different than he's played most of his career. I'm curious to see how they coach him up. Will he respond to it. He did learn things from Hakeem that made him better. Maybe it's possible for him to improve in other areas.

Learning how to read defenses and cutters is my problem. Amare never has had to do that. It's one thing when amare is training. He is the hardest worker when it comes to working out. Working With Hakeem was just a workout. He wants to score. That's why he picked up the post moves so fast. That's what drives him. Trying to make him play smart team ball is asking alot. The dude is Karl Malone minus the rebounding and presence in the paint. He needs a point guard to live. I can't see him operating in shaqs role effectively taking advantage of the triangle. Shaq was a fantastic passer, rebounder and defender...amare is none of the above

He has a career avg of 8.3 rebounds, and 1,5 blocks, how is that horrible. Team defense comes from communication from every player on the floor. Your exaggerating, a piss poor rebounder for a pf would be a player avg less than 7, but I'm not going to go back and forth with you regarding amare, i'll just wait until the season starts and keep you in mind, and then we'll see who's right.

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