You must not know, I dislike Kurt Thomas, Anderson, Harrington, and HOuston. I have always advocated on trading those four names that you have mentioned. I am not at all for retaining those players. However, for folks on this board to constantly suggest trading Marburry for TMack or other players is absurd. This kid came to our organization in the middle of the season and still managed to help take this team to the playoffs, and still get no respect over Williams. That in my opinion is purely stupid. Some have asked to trade Marburry and keep Williams, because he is younger and can even become more talented with time. I am sick and tired of those silly trade idea. We have four players that should be IMO untouchables: Marb, TT, Sweet, and Demarr.

Posted by Vmart:

No I think you are wrong. The Knicks need a superstar. NYK hasn't had one since Pat Ewing left. They have had some great players since then but no superstar. I like the idea of having a homegrown superstar but that is what I'm banking on Sweetney to be a great homegrown player who rebounds and scores. But the Knicks seriously need the next step taken for a superstar.

If the Knicks can't get a deal done then I want one player inserted into the starting lineup and that is Sweetney. Trade KT and ending contract to get into the first round. When the draft comes around I am targeting only one player because I think trading into the top 10 in the lottery is very difficult to do. The player I want the Knicks to make a move for in the draft is none other than Ha Sung. Who I think might be available around 15-30. 7'4 323lbs. He is a great athlete with stamina good shooting touch and only 17 or 18. The Knicks need to take him and develop him.

Posted by TMS:

i'm sure all of you probably thought getting Stephon Marbury was out of the question this time last year as well...nothing wrong w/trying to think up possible trade ideas, as long as they offer the other team something they are looking for...in the case of Phoenix, none of us would have figured they'd be looking to dump salary towards the midpoint of the season when they had a tremendously talented team to start the season off with.

so who knows what kind of developments will take place next year? for all we know, the Blazers or Mavs might decide it's time to blow up their rosters & start over too...you never can tell what will happen.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong in trying if it happens great if it doesn't then there are other options. The worst thing that can happen is if IT doesn't try and get a superstar.

were not getting a superstar, were not vying for a championship, and i have very litle expectations for next year. Really we should be concentrating on upgrading our talent base with younger players and build on the playoffs a bit so hopefully 3 years from now we have a legit chance at some nice things.
But this stupid stuff that we are going to trade 34 year old H2O who couldnt even play for a superstar is mind boggling.

The trade I pointed out yesterday where we would acquire Smith and Wagner is the avenue thats plausible

we could get webber and his knee could be mcdyess and we owe him 80 mm for 4 years. we could get a 32 year old mike finley who they owe 60+mm over 4 years and his fd up hamstring.

if you think we are getting kobe or tmac etc.. you are out of your goard

As I have been saying all season long, our best trade partners are at this time: the Bulls and GS.

From the Bulls we can get: Crawford, Chandler is a long shot, JYD, or Robinson

GS, we can get: Dampier, NVE, Richardson.

If we get Crawf or JYD from the Bulls and Damp, we will be vastly upgraded.

If we can only get JYD from the Bulls, and Damp from GS, we will also be better off.
if we can get both Damp and Richardson from GS, we will be an excellent team also.

Isia, please go to work.

Posted by diderotn:

As I have been saying all season long, our best trade partners are at this time: the Bulls and GS.

From the Bulls we can get: Crawford, Chandler is a long shot, JYD, or Robinson

GS, we can get: Dampier, NVE, Richardson.

If we get Crawf or JYD from the Bulls and Damp, we will be vastly upgraded.

If we can only get JYD from the Bulls, and Damp from GS, we will also be better off.
if we can get both Damp and Richardson from GS, we will be an excellent team also.

Isia, please go to work.

Getting Dampier and Crawford would be perfect! Richardson would be great too, but I don't see who we have that GS would want to give up for him.

GS is trying to remain under the cap, because they want to be a major player come free agency. So revamping that team is the way to go. They already know that Damp and NVE are on their way out, at this point they will capable players that can come in and contribute immediately. Think about it, Kurt, Williams and find another team to partner with us, can ultimately make this deal possible. Maybe Dallas, San Antonio, Miami, Toronto, Atlanta, etc.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by diderotn:

As I have been saying all season long, our best trade partners are at this time: the Bulls and GS.

From the Bulls we can get: Crawford, Chandler is a long shot, JYD, or Robinson

GS, we can get: Dampier, NVE, Richardson.

If we get Crawf or JYD from the Bulls and Damp, we will be vastly upgraded.

If we can only get JYD from the Bulls, and Damp from GS, we will also be better off.
if we can get both Damp and Richardson from GS, we will be an excellent team also.

Isia, please go to work.

Getting Dampier and Crawford would be perfect! Richardson would be great too, but I don't see who we have that GS would want to give up for him.

first round picks are traded all the time because almost every player in the NBA is a first round pick.

I assert that Josh Smith will ultimately be the best player in this draft and a potential superstar BUT i believe it will take a full 2-3 years for him to blossom. I expect him to be a back up for two years in all likelihood. If we grabbed a package that included those players we are helped in other areas and open up other possibilities for other avenues of change via the MLE KT and the ending contracts.

I dont think Clev has the time to wait on Josh Smith--hey maybe they do but they have been busy shipping out younger players. Tim Thomas gives them immediate improvement with size at the 3 and getting rid of the Ollie contract and replacing that with a player who could be very very good at the point with size--FW--is a two way deal. Im not over rating FW but weve seen his potential and playing with lebron might be a better fit for him. You put Tim Thomas and Frank Williams on Clev and they are going to the playoffs guaranteed.

That would give them
C Z 7-3
PF Boozer 6-9
SF TT 6-10
SG James 6-8
PG Mcginis 6-4

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by diderotn:

As I have been saying all season long, our best trade partners are at this time: the Bulls and GS.

From the Bulls we can get: Crawford, Chandler is a long shot, JYD, or Robinson

GS, we can get: Dampier, NVE, Richardson.

If we get Crawf or JYD from the Bulls and Damp, we will be vastly upgraded.

If we can only get JYD from the Bulls, and Damp from GS, we will also be better off.
if we can get both Damp and Richardson from GS, we will be an excellent team also.

Isia, please go to work.

Getting Dampier and Crawford would be perfect! Richardson would be great too, but I don't see who we have that GS would want to give up for him.

That is the key......one center and one shooting guard.

I doesn't even matter.....J Rich, Stephen Jax, Crawford, etc...
with Dampier or someone like Shareef, Walker, etc....

I feel the Knicks will get someone out of this group.

Flip Murray is another dude that could be a suprise. He was headed to the all-star game before Ray Allen came back and that dumb coach over there forgot about him....McMillen is a real idiot.

By the way diderotn.....the thread I made up about Frank and Marbury was just a topic I started to get a convo going. I did write my opinion on it later on in that thread if you would check. muah

Trading TT is an option only "if" we will be getting a : Kobe, Tmack, Shaq, Garnett, or maybe a Vince Carter in return. A trade of TT for J. Richardson and Dampier is a good one also.