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One of Phils favorite asst. coaches Jim Cleamons
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WOODMANnYk
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8/18/2014  1:32 PM
I heard Jim Cleamons will be joining the Knicks coaching staff. Any truth to that? If so, that would be a great pick up.
He will be stressing defense..
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8/18/2014  1:35 PM
Nice. The band is getting back together.
http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/report-jim-cleamons-to-join-knicks-coaching-staff/
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8/18/2014  1:42 PM
Thx for the info ChrushAlot!! The Knicks coaching staff beginning to look mighty good. Championship pedigree on that bench..
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8/18/2014  1:47 PM
I'm happy about this move. After seeing the USELESS assistants that Woody had its a relief to see Fish get men who have been Phil's assistants and know how to help a coach and win in this league. This is no small thing. The wealth of knowledge is exponentially better than what we had. This is how u change a culture on a team.
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8/18/2014  2:38 PM
Is he any good as an assistant coach? Whats his speciality these days? All I remember about him is him looking out of his depth in every photo taken while he was the Mavs coach! He did have nothing to work with though!
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8/18/2014  2:57 PM
smackeddog wrote:Is he any good as an assistant coach? Whats his speciality these days? All I remember about him is him looking out of his depth in every photo taken while he was the Mavs coach! He did have nothing to work with though!

Yeah I know Phil talked about Kurt not having support in Minny and I think he mentioned Clemmons as a guy that wasn't supported. I think Clemmons is a great addition. I also think there will be open communication on a daily basis between Phil and Fisher.
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8/18/2014  3:23 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Is he any good as an assistant coach? Whats his speciality these days? All I remember about him is him looking out of his depth in every photo taken while he was the Mavs coach! He did have nothing to work with though!

Yeah I know Phil talked about Kurt not having support in Minny and I think he mentioned Clemmons as a guy that wasn't supported. I think Clemmons is a great addition. I also think there will be open communication on a daily basis between Phil and Fisher.

Poor Kurt- he was saddled with Kahn, one of the worst GMs in living memory. Drafted 3 PGs when the triangle does't even particularly need them!

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8/18/2014  3:24 PM
I think the triangle is in full effect at this point. I expect to this team come together well before camp, like a week after labor day. This is a very difficult system, and we have some low IQ players, and big men who don't pass well.
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8/18/2014  3:57 PM
I hope the Giants McAdoo offense last preseason game wasn't a sign of what the Triangle offense will do. The Giants looked just as bad as last year, without the new system. I hope the knicks don't go through the same growing pains.
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8/18/2014  3:59 PM
Check this out!! Derek Fisher now has Kurt Rambis,Jim Cleamons and Brian Keefe who's coming from the OKC bench. NICE, I like it

Now we just need a Big mans coach to come in. What happened with Bill Cartwright?? I thought he was also joining Fisher's coaching staff

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8/18/2014  4:00 PM
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8/18/2014  4:00 PM
blkexec wrote:I hope the Giants McAdoo offense last preseason game wasn't a sign of what the Triangle offense will do. The Giants looked just as bad as last year, without the new system. I hope the knicks don't go through the same growing pains.

The summer league squad seemed to grasp it and execute it pretty well. Lets hope the same happens with the vets.
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8/18/2014  4:14 PM
blkexec wrote:I hope the Giants McAdoo offense last preseason game wasn't a sign of what the Triangle offense will do. The Giants looked just as bad as last year, without the new system. I hope the knicks don't go through the same growing pains.

Personally I'm not worrying whether the upcoming season is not a success in terms of wins and losses. Whichever way it goes, hopefully it'll be a learning experience for the yoots and an adjustment or catalyzing experience for the vets and Carmelo. We can see who can cut it and who cannot. We can see which yoots we can stick with and which ones to move for better fitting pieces or assets.

We have to remember as much as we all have high hopes for Fisher and as much as he talks a great game and seems to check all the boxes for future great coach id imagine it is still a big adjustment going from the bench to the floor. There will probably be bumps. There will also likely he bumps with Anthony easing into the new system even though for now he is saying he is getting board. That would be great news because he has certainly never fully played as well as he is capable when it comes to getting teammates involved and using his skills to be a more team oriented offense. Essentially, we need Olympic Melo all the time but instead of aging alongside Lebron and Durant he has JR and Jason Smith, etc. It's not going to be easy for him, I imagine.

But anyway, even if everything possible goes wrong strictly in regards to making the playoffs and making noise in the east the season can be a success IF the team makes strides and develops and gets experience playing under the new system under the new regime with a new focus.

The cherry on top is the lottery pick and the 20+ million in cap space coming after next season. The future can be very bright if things go right. Not a certainty, but we have reason to hope.

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8/18/2014  4:41 PM
Very nice addition.

The guy is all class

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8/18/2014  4:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2014  4:45 PM
Fisher and Cleamons know each other, there is a comfort level with the two of them, so having Cleamons and Rambis on the bench should help speed Fisher's transition from player to coach.

I doubt there will be the same problems Kidd had with Frank, or Jackson had with Scalabrine, Fisher seems a lot more down to earth. And there is always Phil in the mix.

Its important for Fisher to show that he can coach so we can attract the right players in 2015. Don't have to win a ring, but making the playoffs, maybe upsetting a team, would go a long way towards that goal.

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8/18/2014  4:48 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Is he any good as an assistant coach? Whats his speciality these days? All I remember about him is him looking out of his depth in every photo taken while he was the Mavs coach! He did have nothing to work with though!

Yeah I know Phil talked about Kurt not having support in Minny and I think he mentioned Clemmons as a guy that wasn't supported. I think Clemmons is a great addition. I also think there will be open communication on a daily basis between Phil and Fisher.

That maybe be true but of course Phil would say something like that. You have to shine a positive light on your guys and why they didn't succeed.

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8/18/2014  5:54 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Is he any good as an assistant coach? Whats his speciality these days? All I remember about him is him looking out of his depth in every photo taken while he was the Mavs coach! He did have nothing to work with though!

Yeah I know Phil talked about Kurt not having support in Minny and I think he mentioned Clemmons as a guy that wasn't supported. I think Clemmons is a great addition. I also think there will be open communication on a daily basis between Phil and Fisher.

That maybe be true but of course Phil would say something like that. You have to shine a positive light on your guys and why they didn't succeed.

Sure. But remember Kurt was considered a candidate for the head job in LA and chose to follow Phil.
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8/18/2014  9:33 PM
You can't just hire a system coach and then not give him what he needs nor have the plan and patience to build a team that can execute that system. It's what I said about MDA and it's true of Phil or any of his assistants. Often when teams try to switch to a system like the Princeton offense teams struggle. It's not a quick fix and especially if you don't have capable players. Phil has tweaked the roster in order to make it fit his system better. It's not perfect but it's a better fit. This staff already showed their skill with the SL team. They only had days and got them playing pretty well in a tough to grasp system.
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8/19/2014  7:37 AM
Phil has his band back together with new charismatic front man "fish" to support him. This is very solid and demonstrates the level of commitment by Dolan.

While teams are limited by the salary cap they can spend on coach's and presidents as has Dolan.

As a reminder, the knicks traded Clyde for Jim Cleamons back in the day.

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8/19/2014  8:55 AM
I don't know if the assistant coaches will be able to function properly without the guidance of Herb Williams.
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