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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
8/15/2014 12:18 PM LAST EDITED: 8/15/2014 12:19 PM
It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0
We need all of the series in the Division to go this way
Without a bunch of moving parts
Derozan and Valanciunas are rising
We're not where they're at, maybe next year |
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WOODMANnYk
Posts: 22417 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2002 Member: #529 USA |
8/15/2014 12:57 PM
I honestly believe the Eastern Conference have figured out the Raptors. They are not winning 48 games again this yr. As for Nets, they have alot of question marks coming into the season.
We dont know if Brooke Lopez and Deron Williams will stay healthy. You dont know what you're going to get from Garnett day in and day out throughout the season. Most importanylu losing Pierce will hurt and be hard to replace in the lineup. I strongly believe the Knicks are in a great situation and should be able to take the Atlantic division. New system that historically never fails, new coach, new executive and a mixture of youth, experience and size. Go Knicks! The Future. GO KNICKS!
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/15/2014 12:59 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:I honestly believe the Eastern Conference have figured out the Raptors. They are not winning 48 games again this yr. As for Nets, they have alot of question marks coming into the season.its there for them.. there is not Lebron/MJ juggernaut in the way. They still have to execute. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/15/2014 1:00 PM
F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 I think it's just as easy to say that the Knicks have a lot of the very same players and that for the 1st time in a while they have good leadership and a system that will organize that talent to operate at its best. IMO this team was hampered last year by so many things. We may just see the real level of the teams play this year as opposed to what we saw last year which was so below what the team had shown before last year. I'm sure that Derozan and Valunciunas will be better this year as they grow and I'm sure that we'll see several Knicks play better as well. What i'm interested in is how the strength of both teams will compare. Late last year we saw that the Knicks could indeed play with and beat the Raptors. I don't believe that they are levels above the Knicks despite the record the Knicks had last year. I think if the Knicks are playing according to their talent they can compete with the Raptors for the Atlantic Division. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/15/2014 1:10 PM
nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 The agenda is as transparent as your love for the Knicks "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
8/15/2014 1:12 PM
I am not sold on Derozan's improvement. Maybe he has learned to attack and pass more but that could easily be a blimp. We will see though.
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djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
8/15/2014 1:14 PM
head 2 head doesn't mean anything unless it's the playoffs.
winning the division means the team has to play very good basketball against the entire league, not just one team. what can the knicks rely on for the upcoming season? right now it's only 2 things - melo's scoring and jose's shooting. everything else is a major major question mark and the defense will not be a good one. as for the raptors...bringing back a very young squad built on defense. chemistry is off the charts and our bench has solidified. combine that with the development of ross + jonas in the starting 5 and things can go really good for us again for the regular season. post season is a different animal that's going to rely on matchups when you don't have a true superstar type player. everyone seems to forget that we were 1 of 4 teams to have a better than .500 record against the west and after the rudy trade, we went 42-22, that's a .656 winning % which translates to 54 wins. but until we prove it again this year, we won't have the respect of fans and the league. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/15/2014 1:21 PM
djsunyc wrote:head 2 head doesn't mean anything unless it's the playoffs.Is Vince Carter still killing it for the Raps? They are still in Toronto? I thought they moved.. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
8/15/2014 1:21 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:I honestly believe the Eastern Conference have figured out the Raptors. They are not winning 48 games again this yr. there's nothing really there to figure out. raptors play hard and are in every game. they never get blown out and always come back from any deficit. when you play good defense, you are in every game. and then it comes down to making clutch plays when it matters and our backcourt is one of the better ones in that regard. raps can shoot the 3, we can drive, with jonas improving, we can post up and we can play transition. there is no area of weakness for a team to target. only limit that we have as a unit is upper echelon talent. we don't have that therefore we can't compete for championships. but we can be a very solid team that will be very competetive and a team no other top team wants to face b/c it will be a grueling series. |
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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
8/15/2014 1:29 PM
fishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 There's nothing to suggest we're good or bad I don't think we're much different than last year
The majority of it did including us but it's the appreciation and depreciation of how much
Therefore winning will prove to be more difficult to come by
Melo could have done more to help, he had highs and lows last year contributing to our results
Hey I'm sure Felton is doing the same in Dallas but no need to oversell an offseason
Acy will help us appreciate every game effort, everyone else will be what they are at this stage in their career We're waiting for you to turn down the effusive posting Feel more than free to start broader threads discussing the team-other players |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/15/2014 1:51 PM
djsunyc wrote:head 2 head doesn't mean anything unless it's the playoffs. I know that head to head match ups aren't the final determinant. I do think it was useful in demonstrating that when the Knicks are playing closer to their real ability that the Knicks are not outclassed in any way. The Knicks closed the season going 16-7 and they finally got healthy and got their act together. Earlier in the year they were giving away games that they had big leads and should've won against teams that weren't even that tough. Often times it was just a lack of execution or making smart BB plays. I think with better leadership we will see what this Knicks team is really capable of. That could lead to winning the Atlantic Division. I think people are seriously underestimating the Talent on the Knicks and it's their own fault. Very little was done right last year. Players were really underperforming and their attitudes were horrible. It's more than Just Melo and Jose that we can rely on. I think JR and THJ will be key players for this team. There's more talent throughout this Knicks roster that if they are well coached and can perform at or near their real level of talent we'd see a very different team. I think the Knicks upside is higher than the Raptors. If both teams are at their best I think the Knicks are better. |
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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
8/15/2014 2:02 PM
fishmike wrote:djsunyc wrote:head 2 head doesn't mean anything unless it's the playoffs.Is Vince Carter still killing it for the Raps? They are still in Toronto? I thought they moved.. I have your team winning 43-44gms slight drop off because of league parity Don't call me a hater though
Hey are you interested in trading that 2016 pick back to us |
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/15/2014 2:04 PM
F500ONE wrote:I stopped reading after the boldfishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
8/15/2014 2:17 PM
fishmike wrote:Agree. Seven out of the 15 guys on the roster were not there last year. At least two of the 7 are going to start and all 7 have the potential to be rotation players. New front office, new coaching staff and half of the guys on the team are new. I think the Knicks are very different from last year.F500ONE wrote:I stopped reading after the boldfishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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F500ONE
Posts: 23899 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5844 |
8/15/2014 2:30 PM
CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Agree. Seven out of the 15 guys on the roster were not there last year. At least two of the 7 are going to start and all 7 have the potential to be rotation players. New front office, new coaching staff and half of the guys on the team are new. I think the Knicks are very different from last year.F500ONE wrote:I stopped reading after the boldfishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 We're different in appearance Not different in significance of improvement
Just like I think we won't be as good//// I stated to a fan of another team the same thing
I thought last year we'd win 40gms, I was wrong btw |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
8/15/2014 2:49 PM
F500ONE wrote:Different in guys on the court, guys in management, and guys on the bench coaching. That is more then appearance in my opinion. I see a significant improvement in the front office. Either Dolan or Mills took an approach last year that sabotaged Woodson and contributed significantly to the high level of dysfunction surrounding the team. I think Fish/Rambis is an upgrade over Woodson. I think when you factor in the support of management it is a tremendous upgrade over Woodson. I think the roster got better. I think the Knicks needed to get something for an expiring Tyson. I also think Tyson was a big part of the problem last year. Moving Felton with him and turning that into Dalembert, Jose, Larkin, Early, Thanasis, Acy, and Outlaw was a big upgrade of the roster and should help to contribute to a change in the culture. I think that JR and Shump should both be improved a year removed from surgery.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Agree. Seven out of the 15 guys on the roster were not there last year. At least two of the 7 are going to start and all 7 have the potential to be rotation players. New front office, new coaching staff and half of the guys on the team are new. I think the Knicks are very different from last year.F500ONE wrote:I stopped reading after the boldfishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/15/2014 2:49 PM
F500ONE wrote:We're different in appearance Significant improvement at PG. I think Jose, Prigs and Larkin is a better PG crew fit for this offense. It doesn't have to be better in overall talent if the fit is better for how we'll be playing. In the Triangle you need a smart PG who can shoot and still run a good 2 man game when in the Pinch Post. I think a SG crew that isn't coming off of off season surgery is going to be improved over last year. JR, Shump and THJ should all be stronger this year for various reasons some health, off season preparation and in THJ's case being a year older and more experienced. In any event our SG position is very talented. We're deeper at C and PF too. There are still health concerns but you can't predict injury. In terms of their actual talent its a good group. Not top tier but good. Finally we have Melo who I think should be better utilized in this system. Fish and Phil will have a much better approach to the game and how to use the teams talents than we saw last year. There are no guarantees of how this will work out but I like the new approach and agree with a Team Oriented style of play that they're bringing. When this team plays that way they are much more potent than when the go in to ISO mode and stand around. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
8/15/2014 2:57 PM LAST EDITED: 8/15/2014 3:00 PM
F500ONE wrote:you just dont make sense. If you want to argue you dont think the talent has NOT been upgraded enough to make a difference in the record fine, thats your opinion. That being said this team is nothing like last years. If you cant work your brain around that I just dont know what to tell you.CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:Agree. Seven out of the 15 guys on the roster were not there last year. At least two of the 7 are going to start and all 7 have the potential to be rotation players. New front office, new coaching staff and half of the guys on the team are new. I think the Knicks are very different from last year.F500ONE wrote:I stopped reading after the boldfishmike wrote:nixluva wrote:Nix... read this guy's posts. You see the same things in every single post. 1) the Knicks arent good 2) every other team, literally every other team got better 3) Melo is terrible. Bad contract, out of shape, at fault for anything possible...F500ONE wrote:It's a series I see as a split, we need it to be 3-1 or 4-0 I dont know what you agenda is. You post a ton, so its clear you were either here under a different screen name or you have come over from another site. You have a VERY anti-Knick agenda, considering this is ultimateKnicks. You constantly post negatives about the team, you spin anything Melo related into a negative and you spin Phil's moves into negatives also. Then you say things that are utterly ridiculous like "We're different in appearance, Not different in significance of improvement" And you absolutely did say every team in the east got better and the Knicks took steps backward and you predicted them to have less wins than last year. Kinda begs the question... why join the site? Damn these Knick fans and their excitement about the changes (there *were* changes by the way) its time someone set them straight? Thanks for that! "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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WOODMANnYk
Posts: 22417 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2002 Member: #529 USA |
8/15/2014 2:59 PM LAST EDITED: 8/15/2014 3:01 PM
djsunyc wrote:WOODMANnYk wrote:I honestly believe the Eastern Conference have figured out the Raptors. They are not winning 48 games again this yr. @ DJ, Lowry played his ass off due to a contract yr. Now that he received his 4 yr deal, i think he'll slack off a bit. Derozan does not impress me. you play physical D on his ass and he tends to soften up. The Future. GO KNICKS!
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