H1AND1 wrote:I dont see the Knicks re-signing him. He cannot shoot, the skill he'll need most in the offense. Phil was probably just being nice.

He is not a true PG. I think he has a roll in the triangle. He can bring the ball up, push the pace and is a dogged defender with long arms who will play his man end line to end line. Can see him popping off curls and getting to the basket off screens. We never got to see him play in a system or in a role that is best suited to his skill set.

Finestrg wrote:If we're looking at a small move if & when we decide to move Prigioni, I'd be good with one of the following moves to fill the spot: Seth Curry, Kalin Lucas or a minor trade of Prigs going to Utah for Ian Clark.

I don't remember Clark from SL, but I was impressed with Utah's squad and the ball movement. After the Knick's, they were my favorite team to watch

Finestrg wrote:If we're looking at a small move if & when we decide to move Prigioni, I'd be good with one of the following moves to fill the spot: Seth Curry, Kalin Lucas or a minor trade of Prigs going to Utah for Ian Clark.

Seth Curry perfect

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Finestrg wrote:If we're looking at a small move if & when we decide to move Prigioni, I'd be good with one of the following moves to fill the spot: Seth Curry, Kalin Lucas or a minor trade of Prigs going to Utah for Ian Clark.

I don't remember Clark from SL, but I was impressed with Utah's squad and the ball movement. After the Knick's, they were my favorite team to watch

He had a great SL last summer for both Miami and GS -- I believe he won MVP honors in the final championship game for GS. I see a guy with good PG size at 6'3", pretty good PG instincts, he's a dead-eye shooter (40% from deep wherever he's played), pretty fast/quick with a tight handle (crafty/shifty with the ball getting to the basket), he can push the ball, adequate passer, and he can play defense. A lot to like. How bad does Utah want Prigioni? If they still want him, gimmie this kid Clark and we'll call it a day. There are some guys who come to mind -- Howard Eisley, Boobie Gibson, Ashton Gibbs -- actually reminds me of Toure Murry too...I think he's an even better shooter and could be more of a truer PG than these guys though. Maybe something close to Mario Chalmers? Better than Chalmers eventually?? Worth taking a shot on if we could get him for Pablo IMO. I might even go Pablo and a future 2 to get this guy...or Pablo and the rights to Louis Labeyrie maybe?? I think he'd be worth that amount.

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Finestrg wrote:If we're looking at a small move if & when we decide to move Prigioni, I'd be good with one of the following moves to fill the spot: Seth Curry, Kalin Lucas or a minor trade of Prigs going to Utah for Ian Clark.

I don't remember Clark from SL, but I was impressed with Utah's squad and the ball movement. After the Knick's, they were my favorite team to watch

He had a great SL last summer for both Miami and GS -- I believe he won MVP honors in the final championship game for GS. I see a guy with good PG size at 6'3", pretty good PG instincts, he's a dead-eye shooter (40% from deep wherever he's played), pretty fast/quick with a tight handle (craft/shifty with the ball getting to the basket), he can push the ball, adequate passer, and he can play defense. A lot to like. How bad does Utah want Prigioni? If they still want him, gimmie this kid Clark and we'll call it a day. There are some guys who come to mind -- Howard Eisley, Boobie Gibson, Ashton Gibbs -- actually reminds me of Toure Murry too...I think he's an even better shooter and could be more of a truer PG than these guys though. Maybe something close to Mario Chalmers? Better than Chalmers eventually?? Worth taking a shot on if we could get him for Pablo IMO. I might even go Pablo and a future 2 to get this guy...or Pablo and the rights to Louis Labeyrie maybe?? I think he'd be worth that amount.

sounds good, but if the move was as reported yesterday, it was to open up 2 roster spots. Didn't see where Utah was sending out a player. The report also didn't say where the pick going to Utah was coming from, but maybe that's why it fell through. Possibly a different deal going to go down more as you describe?

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earthmansurfer wrote:I could imagine us cutting Toure Murry to sign Prigioni, but I can't imagine us doing anything with Prigioni in order to get Toure.
And I like Toure as a defender and energy guy, but not being able to shoot in the Triangle as a guard just doesn't make sense. (Well, as a situational guard perhaps.)

Thing with Pablo is he's 37, learning a new system and not part of the future. Also, I think our second team are going to be a change of pace/run in transition type group. Need guys who can run and push the pace. There's nothing like young legs. Just tell these kids to go out there and play at 100% till they're gassed. Pablo is not that guy.

Let me state my position, I should have made that clear. I would prefer to get young legs for Prigs, Clark or Curry would be my preference.
So, I pretty much agree with you on bringing in young legs and someone to compete with our own backup PG. In fairness to Prigs, if he is only playing 10-15 minutes a night, he can in a way, bring young legs (he is a pesky defender). I just prefer to grab one of the before mentioned guards instead, they are not afraid to shoot and are very good at it.

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Finestrg wrote:If we're looking at a small move if & when we decide to move Prigioni, I'd be good with one of the following moves to fill the spot: Seth Curry, Kalin Lucas or a minor trade of Prigs going to Utah for Ian Clark.

I don't remember Clark from SL, but I was impressed with Utah's squad and the ball movement. After the Knick's, they were my favorite team to watch

He had a great SL last summer for both Miami and GS -- I believe he won MVP honors in the final championship game for GS. I see a guy with good PG size at 6'3", pretty good PG instincts, he's a dead-eye shooter (40% from deep wherever he's played), pretty fast/quick with a tight handle (craft/shifty with the ball getting to the basket), he can push the ball, adequate passer, and he can play defense. A lot to like. How bad does Utah want Prigioni? If they still want him, gimmie this kid Clark and we'll call it a day. There are some guys who come to mind -- Howard Eisley, Boobie Gibson, Ashton Gibbs -- actually reminds me of Toure Murry too...I think he's an even better shooter and could be more of a truer PG than these guys though. Maybe something close to Mario Chalmers? Better than Chalmers eventually?? Worth taking a shot on if we could get him for Pablo IMO. I might even go Pablo and a future 2 to get this guy...or Pablo and the rights to Louis Labeyrie maybe?? I think he'd be worth that amount.

sounds good, but if the move was as reported yesterday, it was to open up 2 roster spots. Didn't see where Utah was sending out a player. The report also didn't say where the pick going to Utah was coming from, but maybe that's why it fell through. Possibly a different deal going to go down more as you describe?

Yeah, I read the same stuff. Looks like Utah backed out because they weren't getting a pick. F that -- a pick for what exactly? To take Prigioni? If it comes down to that -- just buy out Prigs and keep the pick. There's your roster spot. They want a way to completely wipe Pablo off the books for next summer--that's probably the issue...Now if they're willing to part with Ian Clark, maybe I could be temped to package a future 2 along with Prigs to get him, or the rights to Labeyrie maybe. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire -- Utah was set to take Prigioni. Let's see if Phil's planning a follow-up deal now. My guess is yes. See what happens.

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Finestrg wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Finestrg wrote:If we're looking at a small move if & when we decide to move Prigioni, I'd be good with one of the following moves to fill the spot: Seth Curry, Kalin Lucas or a minor trade of Prigs going to Utah for Ian Clark.

I don't remember Clark from SL, but I was impressed with Utah's squad and the ball movement. After the Knick's, they were my favorite team to watch

He had a great SL last summer for both Miami and GS -- I believe he won MVP honors in the final championship game for GS. I see a guy with good PG size at 6'3", pretty good PG instincts, he's a dead-eye shooter (40% from deep wherever he's played), pretty fast/quick with a tight handle (craft/shifty with the ball getting to the basket), he can push the ball, adequate passer, and he can play defense. A lot to like. How bad does Utah want Prigioni? If they still want him, gimmie this kid Clark and we'll call it a day. There are some guys who come to mind -- Howard Eisley, Boobie Gibson, Ashton Gibbs -- actually reminds me of Toure Murry too...I think he's an even better shooter and could be more of a truer PG than these guys though. Maybe something close to Mario Chalmers? Better than Chalmers eventually?? Worth taking a shot on if we could get him for Pablo IMO. I might even go Pablo and a future 2 to get this guy...or Pablo and the rights to Louis Labeyrie maybe?? I think he'd be worth that amount.

sounds good, but if the move was as reported yesterday, it was to open up 2 roster spots. Didn't see where Utah was sending out a player. The report also didn't say where the pick going to Utah was coming from, but maybe that's why it fell through. Possibly a different deal going to go down more as you describe?

Yeah, I read the same stuff. Looks like Utah backed out because they weren't getting a pick. F that -- a pick for what exactly? To take Prigioni? If it comes down to that -- just buy out Prigs and keep the pick. There's your roster spot. They want a way to completely wipe Pablo off the books for next summer--that's probably the issue...Now if they're willing to part with Ian Clark, maybe I could be temped to package a future 2 along with Prigs to get him, or the rights to Labeyrie maybe. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire -- Utah was set to take Prigioni. Let's see if Phil's planning a follow-up deal now. My guess is yes. See what happens.

We should have no problems moving Pablo and agree there is no need to give up a pick to do it either. Have to wait and see how it plays out but I do believe Murry will be on this team opening day. While he isn't a scorer like the other combo guards mentioned, he does have skills that we can use and is the best defender. He has good size and athleticism for this system