PF Bargnani 7-0 Amare 6-10 Jason Smith 7-0

(I think upfront we are missing a 6-9 rugged type--we have a lot of size but we dont have the prototypical power guy) and we have a lot of players who are not the most reliable----need additional depth Id take Shawn Marion b7ut he wont take us--others????

SF Carmelo Shumpert Early (I think we are well staffed here

SG JR Smith ThJ (

PG Jose C Pablo Larkin A healthy set of players. Stable a mix no dominant athletic type but a diversity

So I think we are looking at a PF and an additional wing player.

EnySpree wrote:I think David West in wake of this freak injury to Paul George could be had....that's if Indiana is thinking they can need to try and reload while he's recovering. They seriously need to explore that. The Knicks in the least can send them Bargs for West....Amare and Shump for West and Hibbert would be great for both teams.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I think David West in wake of this freak injury to Paul George could be had....that's if Indiana is thinking they can need to try and reload while he's recovering. They seriously need to explore that. The Knicks in the least can send them Bargs for West....Amare and Shump for West and Hibbert would be great for both teams.

For some reason I just don't see the Pacers doing that. It would make sense to basically tank this year, but I think the guys in Indy are too prideful to take that approach. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see those guys. We'll see eventually what they decide to do.

They can do better than that, We dont have anything young with promise to send them

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I think David West in wake of this freak injury to Paul George could be had....that's if Indiana is thinking they can need to try and reload while he's recovering. They seriously need to explore that. The Knicks in the least can send them Bargs for West....Amare and Shump for West and Hibbert would be great for both teams.

For some reason I just don't see the Pacers doing that. It would make sense to basically tank this year, but I think the guys in Indy are too prideful to take that approach. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see those guys. We'll see eventually what they decide to do.

Their pride starts and ends with David West. I personally think they have nothing to play for now that Paul George is gone. As a GM, after I got a chance to let it sink in, I would have to try and get the most out of this 2015 pick. The extra money saved with Amare's money coming off the books could be used to sign possibly younger talent to put around their Max guy George when he comes back. That's what I would do. Playing for pride is not going to help the team. David West is 33 years old and Hibbert is his own worst enemy. They have a shot at really improving and getting younger in the process.

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C-Dalembart 6-11 Cole A 6-11

PF Bargnani 7-0 Amare 6-10 Jason Smith 7-0

(I think upfront we are missing a 6-9 rugged type--we have a lot of size but we dont have the prototypical power guy) and we have a lot of players who are not the most reliable----need additional depth Id take Shawn Marion b7ut he wont take us--others????

SF Carmelo Shumpert Early (I think we are well staffed here

SG JR Smith ThJ (

PG Jose C Pablo Larkin A healthy set of players. Stable a mix no dominant athletic type but a diversity

So I think we are looking at a PF and an additional wing player.

Yep we are missing a physical PF who can rebound and Block shots, The Knicks Power Forwards are so soft they should be wrapped around a cardboard tube and hang next to a bowl.

You think ALrich will play His advanced numbers are very encouraging

We have size so we just need to work with that and get the best out of the guys. How about Cooley he looks like hes legit.

Right now, most of us would rather see Bargs starting over amare....that says it all.

Anyway we do need a power fwd that can battle inside with other teams in the east. Melo at the 3 makes us tough, but he needs more physicality coming from his power forward. David West's availability intrigues me to no end right now, but until then we basically have to stick with what we have and make it work. Jeremy Tyler needs to capitalize on his opportunity with the Knicks. With Bargs and Amare here because we can't move them, The Knicks will have a gaping hole at the 4 next year and he should be the guy to take that spot before anyone else....he has to earn it

nixluva wrote:The cheap answer is Tyler. He's not the sexy pick, but he's actually capable of doing the usual 6-9 PF things. I think people tend to be very impatient with this kid. Tyler just turned 23 and people can't allow him to finish developing. The other guy is KMart. I can't think of anyone that Phil can make a trade for.

There are other options here. Guys I like with experience that may come cheap: Mike Scott (probably out of our price range but we should inquire anyway), Earl Clark (6'10" hybrid big that can score---we should've never cut him. We sucked last yr and should've given this guy a much longer look than we did) and DJ White (underrated PF with some skills -- dude plays hard, can rebound and shoot the ball). After that, I like 6'10" C/PF Daniel Orton and 6'8" PF Richard Howell a lot better than Jeremy Tyler. Orton reminds me of a young Kendrick Perkins and Howell reminds me of DeJuan Blair. Both should be available -- Orton was with Washington's SL team and Howell was real solid and produced in all of his last 3 stops -- in college (NC State), the DL and the Philippines. Orton and Howell would come dirt cheap.

Here's Orton holding his own vs. Roy Hibbert & the Pacers last year (just my opinion but guys like Hibbert and Luis Scola would eat Jeremy Tyler for breakfast by comparison) plus some DL video of him -- to me this guy just plays much bigger than Tyler. Better post moves, stronger, much better body control and shows more advanced footwork. How 'bout the 3 pt range he showed on that one shot in vid 3? Looked very comfortable taking that shot. Better face up game and a better rebounder/shot-blocker than Tyler. About a yr younger too:

Here's some video of Rich Howell. Toughness & rebounding are constants. Dude's a beast, a real lunch pail/no nonsense WORKER inside. Also note the surprisingly polished offensive game on the interior -- all reminiscent of DeJuan Blair:

Pacers will still make the playoffs

gunsnewing wrote:Trading West for a complete tank doesn't make sense. You will still need pieces around a rehabbing Paul George & a top Rookie.

Pacers will still make the playoffs

I know we're talking about the East, but a pretty bold prediction given the fact that they lost two of the better defenders in the league in Stevenson and George, and are coming off a fine season that ended in a bitter disappointment- something that can carry over to next season.

They are not going to tank, but I don't see them as a playoff lock in a more competitive conference. The team psyche is going to be a little fragile too, IMO.

Scola is old, West is not getting younger, Stuckey is a nice addition who now has to play a more prominent role, and you don't know what the heck you are getting with Hibbert.

BRIGGS wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C-Dalembart 6-11 Cole A 6-11

PF Bargnani 7-0 Amare 6-10 Jason Smith 7-0

(I think upfront we are missing a 6-9 rugged type--we have a lot of size but we dont have the prototypical power guy) and we have a lot of players who are not the most reliable----need additional depth Id take Shawn Marion b7ut he wont take us--others????

SF Carmelo Shumpert Early (I think we are well staffed here

SG JR Smith ThJ (

PG Jose C Pablo Larkin A healthy set of players. Stable a mix no dominant athletic type but a diversity

So I think we are looking at a PF and an additional wing player.

Yep we are missing a physical PF who can rebound and Block shots, The Knicks Power Forwards are so soft they should be wrapped around a cardboard tube and hang next to a bowl.

You think ALrich will play His advanced numbers are very encouraging

We have size so we just need to work with that and get the best out of the guys. How about Cooley he looks like hes legit.