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nyvector16
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7/26/2014  3:23 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/stephen-smith-women-share-responsibility

I always thought Stephen A. Smith's act as a loudmouth was just a schtick and sometimes he has good information, but to insinuate that a victim of Domestic Violence should contemplate what they are doing to provoke the aggressor is just sick.

What is it about certain men in this country that try to take a woman's dignity away and act like they are 2nd class citizens to men?
I find this disturbing, disgusting, and frankly he should be suspended from his show for propagating such ridiculous nonsense.

I posted this here because he is often the source of a lot of NBA chatter...
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7/26/2014  3:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2014  3:38 PM
Stephen drives me crazy but I see what he is saying here. Think he was referring to the crazy women. The ones who watch reality TV that glorifies violence.

In general a lot of women today have no respect for men. I will one day teach my son & DAUGHTER what I was thought and that is to have respect for people. That includes everyone men, women, people of every race, size and shape. Certainly do not become a sheep for everything that is wrong with today's society. Society no longer has value, morale, value for life and simple common sense. Do not follow every media trend like sheep. Think for yourselves. Violence is glorified in the media. Look no further than "Reality" TV. No one should lay their hands on anyone period. SHOW RESPECT
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7/26/2014  3:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2014  6:30 PM
Double standards just like women who abuse young boys but it gets swept under the rug despite all the psychological effects. One day we will get through this
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7/26/2014  3:53 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Double standards just like women who abuse young boys but it gets swept under the rug. One day we will get through this

SAS uses his platform knowing it will spark flames, which is the very reason he should refrain from doing so.

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7/26/2014  4:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Stephen drives me crazy but I see what he is saying here. Think he was referring to the crazy women. The ones who watch reality TV that glorifies violence.

In general a lot of women today have no respect for men. I will one day teach my son & DAUGHTER what I was thought and that is to have respect for people. That includes everyone men, women, people of every race, size and shape. Certainly do not become a sheep for everything that is wrong with today's society. Society no longer has value, morale, value for life and simple common sense. Do not follow every media trend like sheep. Think for yourselves. Violence is glorified in the media. Look no further than "Reality" TV. No one should lay their hands on anyone period. SHOW RESPECT

Agree 100%. If violence is accepted it will multiply.
Teach your kids to respect themselves.
Man or woman who resort to violence, hate, or abuse have no respect for themselves in first place.
When somebody acts like this, he/she is just sacred unsecured creature, ugly, useless and helpless.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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7/26/2014  5:35 PM
What exactly is it that SAS said that was so objectionable?
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7/26/2014  5:44 PM
To be fair SAS did condemn violence against women. Can some people antagonise or 'provoke' people? Absolutely. Does that mean it's okay to hit them? Absolutely not- that's what I presume he was saying, and it's fair enough. Some relationships are toxic both ways, and some women do hit men- and that's absolutely wrong too. If you find yourself getting so angry you're tempted to hit your partner then you really need to get the hell out of that relationship, not hit them back.
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7/26/2014  5:53 PM
I heard him he wasn't advocating hitting women just pointing out that some women are crazy and need to tone it down
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7/26/2014  5:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2014  6:04 PM
I agree completely with the gunsnewing and smackeddog. This is an example of political correctness going to far.
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7/26/2014  6:12 PM
Yea people say what they think people want to hear and it only makes matters worse. I'm glad Stephen is speaking up. I'm sure the headlines everywhere will read "Stephen A advocates hitting women" unfortunately people are too lazy to read
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7/26/2014  7:21 PM
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If you are in sports and you depend on that money and endorsements . You better pull a Tiger Woods and don't strike back. Even if your wife or girlfriend attacks and hit you you must not strike back. First of all its wrong and second of all there goes your career. Rhianna attacked Chris Brown first but he in return kicked her butt. It hurt his career.
If you are just a plain ol married person or have a girl friend you can't get physical in an argument. You need to talk it out and if that dosen't work and you can't get along. Just move on with your life. Have peace of mind.
Also I don't want this to sound racial but a lot of violence on black on black physical crimes are sometimes overlooked in the African American community with a black man with a black woman. But if a black man is accused of a physical hitting at with his white wife or girlfriend his goose is cooked. If Tiger Woods would have even pushed his wife his career would be over.We need to do better in minority neighborhoods. Ive seen first hand how black woman are treated when it comes to domestic violence and it's sad. We need to do better.

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7/26/2014  8:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2014  8:13 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If you are in sports and you depend on that money and endorsements . You better pull a Tiger Woods and don't strike back. Even if your wife or girlfriend attacks and hit you you must not strike back. First of all its wrong and second of all there goes your career. Rhianna attacked Chris Brown first but he in return kicked her butt. It hurt his career.
If you are just a plain ol married person or have a girl friend you can't get physical in an argument. You need to talk it out and if that dosen't work and you can't get along. Just move on with your life. Have peace of mind.
Also I don't want this to sound racial but a lot of violence on black on black physical crimes are sometimes overlooked in the African American community with a black man with a black woman. But if a black man is accused of a physical hitting at with his white wife or girlfriend his goose is cooked. If Tiger Woods would have even pushed his wife his career would be over.We need to do better in minority neighborhoods. Ive seen first hand how black woman are treated when it comes to domestic violence and it's sad. We need to do better.

Can you at least admit that not all women are doe-eyed, never-could-do-no-wrong creatures? I think its ridiculous how they always manage to get the benefit of the doubt in spite of who they are or their actions. Context is important in judging any situation, so I would not be so quick to cast all men in domestic violence cases as the villain. Here are just two instances where men were warranted in their physical responses...

http://youtu.be/Ra0EKYpBjQU

http://youtu.be/TphCi4zH1sk
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7/26/2014  8:50 PM
Hitting a women is never warranted unless there is a letimately threat, weapons in self defense. The point is people need to start respecting other people again. Giving winning Carte Blanche to hit a man is not the answer. Where I think Stephen messed up is saying something along the lines of Hit and you get hit back in a bigger way. Unfortunately that is not the answer.

Stephen is a bit chauvinistic. You can tell by the way he describes his interactions with women. He doesn't believe in sweating women and putting them on a pedestal. He feels he shouldn't have to. Suffice to say he thinks very highly of himself.

He grew up with nothing but sisters. He said his sisters would never lay their hands on their men. I doubt he'd truly advocate hitting women
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7/26/2014  10:06 PM
I wonder how the talking heads would handle the hope solo domestic charge if she was still in the limelight.
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7/26/2014  10:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2014  10:26 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Hitting a women is never warranted unless there is a letimately threat, weapons in self defense. The point is people need to start respecting other people again. Giving winning Carte Blanche to hit a man is not the answer. Where I think Stephen messed up is saying something along the lines of Hit and you get hit back in a bigger way. Unfortunately that is not the answer.

Stephen is a bit chauvinistic. You can tell by the way he describes his interactions with women. He doesn't believe in sweating women and putting them on a pedestal. He feels he shouldn't have to. Suffice to say he thinks very highly of himself.

He grew up with nothing but sisters. He said his sisters would never lay their hands on their men. I doubt he'd truly advocate hitting women

Those rules count against men as well? Because we now live in a society where we promote gender equality and should remain gender blind. That being said, I feel like the men in the video acted accordingly to a perceived threat. I agree with you that no one should put their hands on anyone though.
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7/26/2014  10:24 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I wonder how the talking heads would handle the hope solo domestic charge if she was still in the limelight.

What happened?
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7/26/2014  10:38 PM
Provocation was the key of what SAS mentioned, there's nothing to argue about, curious those people reacted so huge.
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7/27/2014  12:36 PM
Ray Rice knocks out his girl in an elevator and has to drag her out because she is out cold...
Then the discussion turns to what did she do to antagonize him to hit her.
The problem with this is that there is never an excuse to hit much less KNOCK OUT a girl regardless of the situation unless your being robbed or your significant other pulls a knife or gun on you....

People reacted so negatively because in this day and age there are so many woman who are victimized by men with violence and worse.. rape.. that then goes unreported because they are treated like they are the ones who did something wrong and questioning what the victim did to deserve it only perpetuates this horrible trend.

In campuses all across the US girls are being raped and it goes unreported because of their fear of this type of reprisal... Many times they are scrutinized and badgered to the point where it makes their already broken lives worse.

Of course it is no acceptable for a woman to hit a man as much as it is unacceptable for a man to hit a woman.. but the problem of a woman hitting a man in very rare, where a man raping or hitting a woman is much more common place in America today.
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7/27/2014  1:56 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Hitting a women is never warranted unless there is a letimately threat, weapons in self defense. The point is people need to start respecting other people again. Giving winning Carte Blanche to hit a man is not the answer. Where I think Stephen messed up is saying something along the lines of Hit and you get hit back in a bigger way. Unfortunately that is not the answer.

Stephen is a bit chauvinistic. You can tell by the way he describes his interactions with women. He doesn't believe in sweating women and putting them on a pedestal. He feels he shouldn't have to. Suffice to say he thinks very highly of himself.

He grew up with nothing but sisters. He said his sisters would never lay their hands on their men. I doubt he'd truly advocate hitting women

Provocation--I think it is possible for a man to put his hands on a woman given the right provocation. We may not think it is right but a second interaction that involves provocation could end up in that result. For instance--what if your wife/girlfriend said she just kissed another man and for two seconds you grab her by the neck and squeeze just enough to let her know that what she just said in that instance was not only a shock but incredibly hurtful and the mans system reacted in that way. I have never personally punched kicked etc.. a female but I certainly once or twice grabbed my ex wife aggressively that she knew about it--and it came from a provocation that I did not expect. There is something to provocation especially when it comes with intent or shock that can make another person react like they would not normally. If this is what he was getting at--than I agree with him. I dont agree you should hit anyone--but given a circumstance a provocation can bring out a response that may have some violence attached to it.

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7/27/2014  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/27/2014  2:18 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If you are in sports and you depend on that money and endorsements . You better pull a Tiger Woods and don't strike back. Even if your wife or girlfriend attacks and hit you you must not strike back. First of all its wrong and second of all there goes your career. Rhianna attacked Chris Brown first but he in return kicked her butt. It hurt his career.
If you are just a plain ol married person or have a girl friend you can't get physical in an argument. You need to talk it out and if that dosen't work and you can't get along. Just move on with your life. Have peace of mind.
Also I don't want this to sound racial but a lot of violence on black on black physical crimes are sometimes overlooked in the African American community with a black man with a black woman. But if a black man is accused of a physical hitting at with his white wife or girlfriend his goose is cooked. If Tiger Woods would have even pushed his wife his career would be over.We need to do better in minority neighborhoods. Ive seen first hand how black woman are treated when it comes to domestic violence and it's sad. We need to do better.

Can you at least admit that not all women are doe-eyed, never-could-do-no-wrong creatures? I think its ridiculous how they always manage to get the benefit of the doubt in spite of who they are or their actions. Context is important in judging any situation, so I would not be so quick to cast all men in domestic violence cases as the villain. Here are just two instances where men were warranted in their physical responses...

http://youtu.be/Ra0EKYpBjQU

http://youtu.be/TphCi4zH1sk

Papabear Says

I hear what you are saying. Judge your partner, girlfriend , wife to be very carefully.If you see aggressive behavior or a victim of her violence then beware. It's time to get help or just move on.
Also mind games can be as vicious as hitting someone. It's called mental physical abuse.

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