There are a lot of big men prospects that may come out of the 2015 draft.

Okafor
Towns
Portis
Alexander
Johnson
Looney
Turner
Porzingis
Harrell
Nichols
Hammons
Sky Walker
Long
Poythress
*Dakari Johnson
Cauley-Stein
Diop

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:There seems to be this misconception on the part of some media and some fans that Melo really screwed us with his contract. To be honest there was really never going to be a situation where we added 2 max players. One Max is about the most realistic option and even then who exactly are we talking about? As it is the Knicks could have enough money to offer a max to Marc Gasol with the contract Melo signed.

The only way that Melo could have given a significant amount more would be if he left about $22 mil on the table and took a $101,891,629.62 contract. Even then it's not enough to get you much. The $124mil contract leaves us about $20 mil of space and the $101 mil contract would leave about $24.5 mil of space. That extra $4.5 mil isn't going to be the difference between a title team or not. People need to really take a chill on bashing Melo over his contract.

It's more important to focus on developing our young talent. Getting the most out of the players we have and establishing a winning culture or team 1st BB. Once we go thru this season we can better judge just what this team will need to get to the next level and contend. It's important to see how this plays out. SO GROW UP PEOPLE!!!

Great post. Thanks for crunching the numbers.

Okay $1.4mil we were supposed to acknowledge he took a paycut.

You proceed to scoff at $4.5mil give back as if it's not significant

Hate to burst your bubble but it would be very much relevant

Take for instance Paul Milsap makes $9mil this year.

If Hawks duplicate last year and he has a good year himself

He goes into the off season and says he wants David West money, $12mil per yr

Melo's $1.4mil give back as you say creates approximately $20mil in cap space[I have it around $18mil]

$20mil minus $12mil leaves $8mil well add another $4.5mil if he takes the paycut you suggest/////

We could sign another player at $12mil if they command the salary like DeAndre Jordan.

But hey you say GROW UP and to that I say to you SMARTEN UP

I think it's gonna be hard regardless but Melo surely didn't help us like he should have and could have

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:There seems to be this misconception on the part of some media and some fans that Melo really screwed us with his contract. To be honest there was really never going to be a situation where we added 2 max players. One Max is about the most realistic option and even then who exactly are we talking about? As it is the Knicks could have enough money to offer a max to Marc Gasol with the contract Melo signed.

The only way that Melo could have given a significant amount more would be if he left about $22 mil on the table and took a $101,891,629.62 contract. Even then it's not enough to get you much. The $124mil contract leaves us about $20 mil of space and the $101 mil contract would leave about $24.5 mil of space. That extra $4.5 mil isn't going to be the difference between a title team or not. People need to really take a chill on bashing Melo over his contract.

It's more important to focus on developing our young talent. Getting the most out of the players we have and establishing a winning culture or team 1st BB. Once we go thru this season we can better judge just what this team will need to get to the next level and contend. It's important to see how this plays out. SO GROW UP PEOPLE!!!

Great post. Thanks for crunching the numbers.

Okay $1.4mil we were supposed to acknowledge he took a paycut.

You proceed to scoff at $4.5mil give back as if it's not significant

Hate to burst your bubble but it would be very much relevant

Take for instance Paul Milsap makes $9mil this year.

If Hawks duplicate last year and he has a good year himself

He goes into the off season and says he wants David West money, $12mil per yr

Melo's $1.4mil give back as you say creates approximately $20mil in cap space[I have it around $18mil]

$20mil minus $12mil leaves $8mil well add another $4.5mil if he takes the paycut you suggest/////

We could sign another player at $12mil if they command the salary like DeAndre Jordan.

But hey you say GROW UP and to that I say to you SMARTEN UP

I think it's gonna be hard regardless but Melo surely didn't help us like he should have and could have

GEEZ!!! The point of the exercise was to make it clear that some of us throw around numbers and they seem huge but the actual impact on the 2015 cap situation isn't as big as some make it sound. Melo wasn't gonna play for free. He was gonna get paid what a player at his stage gets paid. You think Phil and the cap guys on the Knicks didn't go over EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO of possible FA's and Melo contract options? Phil said he gave him 5 options. I'm pretty darn sure those options were based on giving the Knicks the best flexibility when it would mean the most.

In any event the truth is that we most likely won't end up using the cap space on a max player like Gasol. It's so hard to make that happen as it's out of the teams control. Phil was gonna have a hard time going the FA route anyway. I'm thinking some kind of trade might end up happening, but it's impossible to project this far in advance.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Anji wrote:Whoops, my bad, that quote actually happened.

Yea it did, but for some reason they seem to purposely alter the quote around to make it say "Melo kind of did exactly what we wanted" when Phil actually stated "Melo did exactly what we kind of wanted him to do".

Don't know why they seem to continually alter the actual quote. Nah I'm lying I know exactly why they kind of alter the quote.

"He did exactly what we kind of asked him to do." That is the quote that Jackson gave to Begley.

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Anji wrote:Whoops, my bad, that quote actually happened.

Yea it did, but for some reason they seem to purposely alter the quote around to make it say "Melo kind of did exactly what we wanted" when Phil actually stated "Melo did exactly what we kind of wanted him to do".

Don't know why they seem to continually alter the actual quote. Nah I'm lying I know exactly why they kind of alter the quote.

"He did exactly what we kind of asked him to do." That is the quote that Jackson gave to Begley.

Thank you, so why isn't this the exact quote being used when quoting him?

Phil is likely now looking at how much he can improve from within and how he can lure some guys next summer based on the success we have this year. It's really important that this team play well this season. It's not a throw away season as some think. The better this team plays this season the more attractive a destination we become. Still you can't force a FA to sign here. This is why Phil is paying so much attention to young players as well. Over the next 5 years we're going to have to succeed in developing a few good players.

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Anji wrote:Whoops, my bad, that quote actually happened.

Yea it did, but for some reason they seem to purposely alter the quote when Phil actually stated "Melo did exactly what we kind of wanted him to do".

Don't know why they seem to continually alter the actual quote. Nah I'm lying I know exactly why they kind of alter the quote.

"He did exactly what we kind of asked him to do." That is the quote that Jackson gave to Begley.

Thank you, so why isn't this the exact quote being used when quoting him?

perhaps because they are interchangeable? maybe you can explain what the differences are.

"Melo did exactly what we kind of wanted him to do"

And

"Melo kind of did exactly what we wanted"

Are you saying these two quotes have the same meaning? Moving around "kind of" makes a huge difference. For one, saying "what we kind of wanted" is bizarre and a strange way of forming a sentence. If anything, it is implying that said person wanted someone to do something but didn't really care on way or the other. Since we know they wanted him to take less, they didn't "kind of" want him to take less, I would write off that quote as someone mispeaking.

Saying Melo "kind of did exactly what we wanted" is a direct, no holds barred condemnation.

Huge, huge difference between the two quotes. In no way interchangeable.

i have noticed that phil jackson does have a weird way of expressing things, and i haven't figured out if it's by design like a hippie-dippie zen koan, or that he just has a peculiar way of expressing conflicting emotions. bizarre and strange-- i am inclined to agree.

bottom line there is no way jackson was happy with the result.

H1AND1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Anji wrote:Whoops, my bad, that quote actually happened.

Yea it did, but for some reason they seem to purposely alter the quote when Phil actually stated "Melo did exactly what we kind of wanted him to do".

Don't know why they seem to continually alter the actual quote. Nah I'm lying I know exactly why they kind of alter the quote.

"He did exactly what we kind of asked him to do." That is the quote that Jackson gave to Begley.

Thank you, so why isn't this the exact quote being used when quoting him?

perhaps because they are interchangeable? maybe you can explain what the differences are.

"Melo did exactly what we kind of wanted him to do"

And

"Melo kind of did exactly what we wanted"

Are you saying these two quotes have the same meaning? Moving around "kind of" makes a huge difference. For one, saying "what we kind of wanted" is bizarre and a strange way of forming a sentence. If anything, it is implying that said person wanted someone to do something but didn't really care on way or the other. Since we know they wanted him to take less, they didn't "kind of" want him to take less, I would write off that quote as someone mispeaking.

Saying Melo "kind of did exactly what we wanted" is a direct, no holds barred condemnation.

Huge, huge difference between the two quotes. In no way interchangeable.

To be fair he didn't say kind of wanted but kind of asked which also changes the whole dynamic. "Kind of asked" to me sounds like the 5 options as it makes the most sense.

Bonn1997 wrote:There are a lot of good players making $4.5 mil per. You can't scoff at that. And if you already have $4.5 mil extra available, it will be easier to make a small move to clear a little more space and have $9 to 10 mil per. (Regardless, I never would have given Melo the $100 mil contract you suggested anyway.)