Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:People just don't get that efficient offensive teams can win too. The trick is to play just enough defense and ball out on offense. One of Phil's Laker teams did this. The 2000-01 finals team was great offensively but was 23rd in Pts allowed and 21st in defensive rating. They were #2 in offensive rating. It's not how you want to do things but it has been done. Not every great defensive team wins the title. It's more complex than that. Gotta hope they can scheme a defense like the Mavs did. Find a way to hide the weak links on D.

Sorry but how do you find a way to hide anywhere between 3-4 out of the 5 players on the court? Melo (on most days), Amare, Bargs, Calderon, THJR, JR( when he is clubbing) and Shumpert when he had confidence issues.

defense is going to be the main issue, that is virtually guaranteed. this season it is going to cost them five or more games which puts them around 36 wins if their offense is merely average.

that means the offense has to be good for at least 10 to 15 games, or top ten in the league. is that realistic?

LEGENDARY PROPHECY

Are you taking victory laps 10 games into a season?

Before Calderon has even played 1 game, too

Does Calderon turn a .200 team into a .650 team? Take a look at what certain posters here were saying and how hostile they were to people who thought this was a sub .500 team.

Not even sure why folks are holding dear to Calderon...nothing in his NBA career suggests he'll be successful in a team way here.

Is the offense clicking in parts for the game? some players able to "feel the triangle"???

The marks of progress might be more internally evaluated than the fans perspective with is obviously wins.
My take, and of course the December 15th date is there are players that just won't get it and some that can.

Maybe Travis wear is thought well of longer term but for now there are bigger contracts that need to play to either wash them out or trade.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:People just don't get that efficient offensive teams can win too. The trick is to play just enough defense and ball out on offense. One of Phil's Laker teams did this. The 2000-01 finals team was great offensively but was 23rd in Pts allowed and 21st in defensive rating. They were #2 in offensive rating. It's not how you want to do things but it has been done. Not every great defensive team wins the title. It's more complex than that. Gotta hope they can scheme a defense like the Mavs did. Find a way to hide the weak links on D.

Sorry but how do you find a way to hide anywhere between 3-4 out of the 5 players on the court? Melo (on most days), Amare, Bargs, Calderon, THJR, JR( when he is clubbing) and Shumpert when he had confidence issues.

defense is going to be the main issue, that is virtually guaranteed. this season it is going to cost them five or more games which puts them around 36 wins if their offense is merely average.

that means the offense has to be good for at least 10 to 15 games, or top ten in the league. is that realistic?

LEGENDARY PROPHECY

Are you taking victory laps 10 games into a season?

Before Calderon has even played 1 game, too

Does Calderon turn a .200 team into a .650 team? Take a look at what certain posters here were saying and how hostile they were to people who thought this was a sub .500 team.

But to be fair, if you went back and told them our starting PG would be Larkin, how many of them would still project over .500?

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:People just don't get that efficient offensive teams can win too. The trick is to play just enough defense and ball out on offense. One of Phil's Laker teams did this. The 2000-01 finals team was great offensively but was 23rd in Pts allowed and 21st in defensive rating. They were #2 in offensive rating. It's not how you want to do things but it has been done. Not every great defensive team wins the title. It's more complex than that. Gotta hope they can scheme a defense like the Mavs did. Find a way to hide the weak links on D.

Sorry but how do you find a way to hide anywhere between 3-4 out of the 5 players on the court? Melo (on most days), Amare, Bargs, Calderon, THJR, JR( when he is clubbing) and Shumpert when he had confidence issues.

defense is going to be the main issue, that is virtually guaranteed. this season it is going to cost them five or more games which puts them around 36 wins if their offense is merely average.

that means the offense has to be good for at least 10 to 15 games, or top ten in the league. is that realistic?

LEGENDARY PROPHECY

Are you taking victory laps 10 games into a season?

Before Calderon has even played 1 game, too

Does Calderon turn a .200 team into a .650 team? Take a look at what certain posters here were saying and how hostile they were to people who thought this was a sub .500 team.

But to be fair, if you went back and told them our starting PG would be Larkin, how many of them would still project over .500?

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:People just don't get that efficient offensive teams can win too. The trick is to play just enough defense and ball out on offense. One of Phil's Laker teams did this. The 2000-01 finals team was great offensively but was 23rd in Pts allowed and 21st in defensive rating. They were #2 in offensive rating. It's not how you want to do things but it has been done. Not every great defensive team wins the title. It's more complex than that. Gotta hope they can scheme a defense like the Mavs did. Find a way to hide the weak links on D.

Sorry but how do you find a way to hide anywhere between 3-4 out of the 5 players on the court? Melo (on most days), Amare, Bargs, Calderon, THJR, JR( when he is clubbing) and Shumpert when he had confidence issues.

defense is going to be the main issue, that is virtually guaranteed. this season it is going to cost them five or more games which puts them around 36 wins if their offense is merely average.

that means the offense has to be good for at least 10 to 15 games, or top ten in the league. is that realistic?

LEGENDARY PROPHECY

Are you taking victory laps 10 games into a season?

Before Calderon has even played 1 game, too

Does Calderon turn a .200 team into a .650 team? Take a look at what certain posters here were saying and how hostile they were to people who thought this was a sub .500 team.

Yup.
This team wasnt gonna be good even with Calderon, the crazy part is Calderon has had very little success anywhere in the NBA, most of the teams he's played on has been terrible. he doesnt transform garbage into something good. Even last year with Dallas...that team was already good. Yet they had no issue dumping him and his contract the next season. he's had very little playoff burn, less than 20 games, and has been the starter at pg for one of those games.

Not even sure why folks are holding dear to Calderon...nothing in his NBA career suggests he'll be successful in a team way here.

Anyone notice it's all about Calderon too

Although Bargnani is injured, not a peep yet in regards

To his difference making

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:People just don't get that efficient offensive teams can win too. The trick is to play just enough defense and ball out on offense. One of Phil's Laker teams did this. The 2000-01 finals team was great offensively but was 23rd in Pts allowed and 21st in defensive rating. They were #2 in offensive rating. It's not how you want to do things but it has been done. Not every great defensive team wins the title. It's more complex than that. Gotta hope they can scheme a defense like the Mavs did. Find a way to hide the weak links on D.

Sorry but how do you find a way to hide anywhere between 3-4 out of the 5 players on the court? Melo (on most days), Amare, Bargs, Calderon, THJR, JR( when he is clubbing) and Shumpert when he had confidence issues.

defense is going to be the main issue, that is virtually guaranteed. this season it is going to cost them five or more games which puts them around 36 wins if their offense is merely average.

that means the offense has to be good for at least 10 to 15 games, or top ten in the league. is that realistic?

LEGENDARY PROPHECY

Are you taking victory laps 10 games into a season?

When are you going to Eat The Crowe

Of The East being overall better along with the entire league

It's getting cold Nix I'd like for you to

Down it while it's still warm

Most Knick fans and posters follow the Knicks in the hope that they win, or that the players they like will do well, or that we'll start changing for the better- not to find out whether you or anyone else was right. That might be why you follow them, but don't act so surprised when people don't rush up to bow before you- they don't actually care.

smackeddog wrote:Look at the recent scores- we lost the games by a shot. With Calderon we might not be a good team, but there's a pretty good chance we would have had a better record (especially as offence is proving to be so problematic for us.

I don't think Calderon is going to magically transform us, but he is one of the few players we're keeping going forward, so I'd like to see him in action.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:People just don't get that efficient offensive teams can win too. The trick is to play just enough defense and ball out on offense. One of Phil's Laker teams did this. The 2000-01 finals team was great offensively but was 23rd in Pts allowed and 21st in defensive rating. They were #2 in offensive rating. It's not how you want to do things but it has been done. Not every great defensive team wins the title. It's more complex than that. Gotta hope they can scheme a defense like the Mavs did. Find a way to hide the weak links on D.

Sorry but how do you find a way to hide anywhere between 3-4 out of the 5 players on the court? Melo (on most days), Amare, Bargs, Calderon, THJR, JR( when he is clubbing) and Shumpert when he had confidence issues.

defense is going to be the main issue, that is virtually guaranteed. this season it is going to cost them five or more games which puts them around 36 wins if their offense is merely average.

that means the offense has to be good for at least 10 to 15 games, or top ten in the league. is that realistic?

LEGENDARY PROPHECY

Are you taking victory laps 10 games into a season?

Before Calderon has even played 1 game, too

Does Calderon turn a .200 team into a .650 team? Take a look at what certain posters here were saying and how hostile they were to people who thought this was a sub .500 team.

But to be fair, if you went back and told them our starting PG would be Larkin, how many of them would still project over .500?

Yeah, one of the many reasons Knicks' fans projection are wildly inflated (even mine often), is the tendency to underpredict injuries.

yep, each year I think go into the season thinking "oh we had more than our fair share of injuries last season", but then EXACTLY the same damn thing happens all over again! (and usually to the same players!)

nixluva wrote:All I'm saying is we knew things would be shaky at the start and that was with Jose and Bargs playing. I'm not changing my view of the team just cuz they've struggled as we expected but minus key contributions from our best PG and one of our more talented bigs too. Plus our opening schedule was brutal. So none of this really puts me off. If this team never improves then I could see conceding the point.

We haven't yet seen this team healthy and with real chemistry yet. We had to start from further back than a lot of teams already knowing how they want to play coming into the season. We didn't have that luxury but it's not how you start but how you finish.

What are you saying? That they'll pull it together and become a playoff team and beat good teams more than half the time the rest of the season?

nixluva wrote:All I'm saying is we knew things would be shaky at the start and that was with Jose and Bargs playing. I'm not changing my view of the team just cuz they've struggled as we expected but minus key contributions from our best PG and one of our more talented bigs too. Plus our opening schedule was brutal. So none of this really puts me off. If this team never improves then I could see conceding the point.

We haven't yet seen this team healthy and with real chemistry yet. We had to start from further back than a lot of teams already knowing how they want to play coming into the season. We didn't have that luxury but it's not how you start but how you finish.