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7/22/2014  10:41 PM

Hardaway Could Be Good Trade Chip for Knicks

Best Fit for Triangle Offense May Not Be in a Knicks Uniform Yet

By Chris Herring

Updated July 22, 2014 10:04 p.m. ET


With Carmelo Anthony locked up for the next few years, and several other contributors on their way to New York via a recent trade with Dallas, it may appear that the Knicks' roster is settled for the coming 2014-15 season. But the team still has a long way to go.

"We have to do some roster management there," team president Phil Jackson acknowledged earlier this month, saying the team had too many guards and not enough frontcourt depth.

"Roster management" could very well mean making another trade to balance out the team. But if that's the case, who and what should the Knicks be looking to deal?

The answer to that question changes depending on whom you ask. But there is reason to believe that unloading one guard in particular, Tim Hardaway, Jr., makes the most sense, even if he is the young player the Knicks are perhaps most reluctant to give up.

Yes, Hardaway showed impressive flashes during his rookie season, and at times looked like the team's second-best scorer. His ability to get out in transition and finish at the rim is special for a player of his experience level, and he appears to be the kind of shooter who can excel alongside Anthony because of the spacing he'll provide his teammates.

In fact, multiple reports have labeled Hardaway as being nearly "untouchable" as a potential trade chip, but that would be a dubious stance given the numerous flaws he showed in his rookie season.

If the Knicks really intend to build a two-way roster, with better defense, fewer holes and more versatility, they would be wise to explore what they can get in return for Hardaway.

This isn't to say that Hardaway has less talent or upside than other Knicks reportedly on the trading block. If anything, he probably has the highest trade value of anyone outside of Anthony, thanks entirely to his scoring ability.

There is a chance the Knicks could make good use of that ability with their new triangle system. But even if the 22-year-old improves his defense and rebounding, he may still be too deficient to make a tangible difference outside of scoring points.

Despite his prototypical height and bounding athleticism, Hardaway grabbed just 3.8% of available rebounds while on the court last season, the second-lowest percentage in NBA history among guards standing 6-foot-6 or taller, according to Basketball-Reference. And his struggles on defense were arguably the worst on the team last season, though they seem to stem more from his slender frame than from his effort.

While the triangle system could conceivably improve Hardaway's passing—his 5.8% assist percentage also ranked near the bottom of the NBA history books among guards—his lack of distribution isn't ideal for team that employs Anthony as its primary scorer.

Consider that Anthony shot 47% overall and a blistering 45% from three-point range last season on possessions where the Knicks passed the ball four times or more, according to SportVU player-tracking technology. This may help to explain why Anthony suffered a bigger shooting-percentage drop-off with Hardaway on the floor than with any other teammate, according to NBA.com.

Most Knicks fans—who get to see draft picks develop before their eyes about as often as they see comets soar across the sky—would oppose trading Hardaway. He's shown a good work ethic, and plays with the kind of energy that the Madison Square Garden crowd always appreciates. Without question, both the front office and many fans would prefer that Andrea Bargnani or Amar'e Stoudemire be dealt. Both are injury-prone and make enormous salaries.

But it would be somewhat foolish to jettison either player at the moment if it means giving up an additional asset, like Hardaway, to get the other team to participate in the trade, especially when New York could probably get a decent return by waiting until the February trade deadline.

If the Knicks opted to divorce themselves from J.R. Smith instead, it would surprise no one. And given how vital Iman Shumpert's defense is to a team that often behaves like a turnstile, the Knicks could decide it makes sense to move the 24-year-old now, before his contract is up and he becomes a restricted free agent next summer.

But if Jackson and the Knicks are finally looking to build a complete, two-way roster, rather than one that prioritizes offense over everything else, then exploring what they can get for Hardaway makes the most sense.


http://online.wsj.com/articles/tim-hardaway-jr-as-knicks-trade-bait-1406080198?KEYWORDS=CHRIS+HERRING
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7/22/2014  11:01 PM
Yup, "untouchable" is just another way of saying better make a good offer for THJ. Looking forward to seeing what he does this season but his propensity for jacking up shots was still apparent in SL. Whatever makes us more competitive.
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7/22/2014  11:09 PM
Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

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7/22/2014  11:20 PM
Timster has been working, he wins fans over genuinely although he has flaws.

Can he overcome them, I think so but it's our duty to do what's best for the Knicks


Therefore we should entertain all offers for him or include him in packages with other players.

Him being untouchable is laughable, there is no one on our team who fits this bill//// Melo's contract is the insane exception

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7/22/2014  11:28 PM
sealy wrote:Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

In order to salary match to what Monroe's contract would be you'd basically have to include Bargnani.

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7/22/2014  11:34 PM
sealy wrote:Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

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7/22/2014  11:46 PM
VDesai wrote:
sealy wrote:Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

In order to salary match to what Monroe's contract would be you'd basically have to include Bargnani.

SVG is who'd we have to approve this with correct?

He's kept in touch with GM all summer, he's not going anywhere

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7/22/2014  11:52 PM
F500ONE wrote:
VDesai wrote:
sealy wrote:Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

In order to salary match to what Monroe's contract would be you'd basically have to include Bargnani.

SVG is who'd we have to approve this with correct?

He's kept in touch with GM all summer, he's not going anywhere


I think they want Greg. I think he would move Smith if a reasonable deal was offered.
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7/23/2014  9:00 AM
sealy wrote:Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

It would have to be a sign and trade and we can't do that, We could get Josh Smith but I dont think thats a good idea

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7/23/2014  9:43 AM
sealy wrote:Wouldn't think twice about sending him back to Michigan to fill the 2G and we get our C in Greg Monroe!

What other pieces would be needed in addition to TH and would Dumars even bite?

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7/23/2014  10:06 AM
hold onto Timmy. Pump his #s up, he can be the first scoring guard off the bench. The only way I would look to trade him is in a big deal near the deadline. If there is a team willing to dump a max/starphuck guy for an expiring and its a Bargs or Amare + THjr to make it happen. That player would also have to be good enough to pass on cap space as we would surely lose most of that. One example would Amare/THjr/Shump for Teague and Horford. If Atl is in the crapper that might be an option. Just kind of thinking outloud here.
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7/23/2014  10:08 AM
You don't explore dealing Hardaway Jr. just because. You deal him only if you can get a young-ish developing star in return, such as Monroe. Otherwise you keep him, he is likely the SG of the future and ideal for this offense.
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7/23/2014  10:09 AM
I personally think Timmy is the answer at SG in the triangle. He is a smart player. He seems to work hard and have a decent motor so I don't see why he can't be decent defensively. I wouldn't move THJ unless we're moving more and getting Kevin Love (or equivalent) back. I think trading him for a different prospect is a mistake
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7/23/2014  12:38 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I personally think Timmy is the answer at SG in the triangle. He is a smart player. He seems to work hard and have a decent motor so I don't see why he can't be decent defensively. I wouldn't move THJ unless we're moving more and getting Kevin Love (or equivalent) back. I think trading him for a different prospect is a mistake

+1, THjr is a keeper. Time to stop making moves just to make them, although a Monroe trade might make me reconsider, as he fills a position of greater need.

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7/23/2014  12:46 PM
I think Hardaway's defensive issues is more about schemes, strength, and a lack of lateral quickness. He seemed to hustle and give effort but you can push him off his spot with your elbow. Just look at how Waiters bullied him driving to the hole in the rising stars game.
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7/23/2014  1:05 PM
THJ is a guy you want to develop.

My take is he is ready for the 6th man role. the 6th mans main responsibility many times is to bring energy and points. Now with our new system--he needs to learn to take responsibility to add more passing and rebounding to his game. He has to learn how to give up a good shot for a great one. He needs to help on the defensive boards and once in awhile when opportunity rings crash the offensive one as well. He's got scoring talent--now he needs to take another step up in the overall game dept.

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7/23/2014  1:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:You don't explore dealing Hardaway Jr. just because. You deal him only if you can get a young-ish developing star in return, such as Monroe. Otherwise you keep him, he is likely the SG of the future and ideal for this offense.

The Pistons have Pope--I think he is their SG I dont see them trading Monroe for anything we have,.

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7/23/2014  7:24 PM
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Herring: Hardaway Could Be Good Trade Chip for Knicks

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