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jskinny35
Posts: 21464 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2005 Member: #928 USA |
7/23/2014 2:04 AM
Definitely think Bargs can do much better. Last year's offense did not serve his abilities. This year's offense should give him every opportunity to perform better. Having said that, he needs to toughen up a bit - rebound and stay involved more. Hopefully PJax can help his fcous. He has unique talent and the video against D.Howard shows he can be effective. Think it's less about Melo and more about his focus/effort level.
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
7/23/2014 7:40 AM
His mid range game is off the hook, so I'm not sure why people are doubting his ability to perform in the triangle.
ES
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Jmpasq
Posts: 25243 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/10/2012 Member: #4182 |
7/23/2014 8:14 AM LAST EDITED: 7/23/2014 8:21 AM
H1AND1 wrote:To me Bargs sucks and is a net negative on the court until he proves otherwise. Jackson is talking him Fact is with him on the court the Knicks give up more points than they score by a wide margin. Can't get lost in ppg as the end all of measuring ability playing defense matters and Bargs is an awful team defender and he cant rebound. Until the Knicks stop obtaining 1 way players there arent going anywhere. Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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fishmike
Posts: 53149 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
7/23/2014 8:14 AM
franco12 wrote:having read this and the article about Calderon, I'm worried the problem here is Anthony - that he is a simple ball hog - not selfish, but simply unable to pass the ball and facilitate movement on the offense.fair concern... I think we learn pretty quickly next year on that. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
7/23/2014 8:14 AM
Most years, he hits around 40 to 45% of his mid-range shots. That's an OK shot only as a last resort (meaning the shot clock is about to expire).
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Andrea%20Bargnani |
franco12
Posts: 33213 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
7/23/2014 8:18 AM
fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:having read this and the article about Calderon, I'm worried the problem here is Anthony - that he is a simple ball hog - not selfish, but simply unable to pass the ball and facilitate movement on the offense.fair concern... I think we learn pretty quickly next year on that. And I have extreme confidence in Jackson & Fisher to help in this regard that I'm not worried. Melo may struggle, but if our summer league guys can pick up and execute this system, no reason Melo can't. |
babyKnicks
Posts: 22484 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/31/2006 Member: #1191 USA |
7/23/2014 8:20 AM
Even iverson reached the finals. Ball hogs have a place. I trust fisher. He's played with a few ball hogs in his day.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
7/23/2014 8:31 AM
Iverson had one of the best defensive players in the history of the game as a teammate. And the east was even weaker then. That team wouldn't have made it past any team with Lebron.
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fishmike
Posts: 53149 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
7/23/2014 8:36 AM
franco12 wrote:hard to picture Phil maxing him out and adding a no trade clause if Melo doesnt have expectations laid out in front of him. Im with you... there are a lot of holes in the roster and players with question marks. I feel great about this front office figuring those things out but you have to give them some time.fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:having read this and the article about Calderon, I'm worried the problem here is Anthony - that he is a simple ball hog - not selfish, but simply unable to pass the ball and facilitate movement on the offense.fair concern... I think we learn pretty quickly next year on that. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Jmpasq
Posts: 25243 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/10/2012 Member: #4182 |
7/23/2014 8:44 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Iverson had one of the best defensive players in the history of the game as a teammate. And the east was even weaker then. That team wouldn't have made it past any team with Lebron. The East then was absolutely pitiful. Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
7/23/2014 8:54 AM LAST EDITED: 7/23/2014 8:54 AM
Jmpasq wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Iverson had one of the best defensive players in the history of the game as a teammate. And the east was even weaker then. That team wouldn't have made it past any team with Lebron. Yeah, I actually think right now that would probably be just a 2nd round team in the east and a team that exits quickly in the 1st round in the west. |
GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
7/23/2014 9:24 AM
I don't know how Bargs will do, but I do believe that this is his best shot to blend in better with his teammates. Thats his biggest problem IMO, bigger than his team D.
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
7/23/2014 9:50 AM
Jmpasq wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Iverson had one of the best defensive players in the history of the game as a teammate. And the east was even weaker then. That team wouldn't have made it past any team with Lebron. every yr when a few marquee players come over to the east, the media starts saying how the east will be so much better, and it get worse. Last season is a prime example, and this year will be the same. ES
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
7/23/2014 10:21 AM
yellowboy90 wrote: Don't know what you were trying to say with the video, but... When I look at the Lego vid, what comes to mind are the benefits of working as part of a system, and what you can do when everyone is working in sync. An organized society where everyone is playing their role is one that can achieve great things. All citizens, even those who some might consider to be mediocre as individuals, can make a difference, and it is those selfish few who work in isolation from the team who should be shunned an vilified. When the Lego guy at the end of the clip is ecstatic when he has to pay for overpriced coffee, it reminds me that people will pay more for something when a great achievement is involved.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
7/23/2014 10:53 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:When he was actually getting minutes Bargs was the 2nd best player on the team!!! People have seriously developed amnesia about last year. We didn't lose because of Bargnani. We lost cuz of Woody, JR, Felton sucking and Tyson breaking his leg etc. There were a myriad of reasons, but early in the year before Bargs lost his confidence and then got injured, he was avg'ing 16/6/1.3 blks on 47.4%, 81% FT and 37% from 3pt range. People just forget that he actually was doing that with Felton, Shump and JR stinking up the joint. IMO he most definitely can be a productive player. Coaching will make a huge difference and the presence of Jose will also help cuz they have chemistry. Well if he can't base his perfomance during a 13 game stretch, how do you base it on a 27 game stretch, with so many other issues that the team had. Are you saying Barg can never be good no matter who you put around him, or no matter what system he plays in? Are you taking woodson system into consideration, the PG play, the passes he got, the timing of his shots? Are you determining his success strickly of off stats, is that truly the way to judge a player. ES
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H1AND1
Posts: 21747 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/9/2013 Member: #5648 |
7/23/2014 11:02 AM LAST EDITED: 7/23/2014 11:08 AM
knicks1248 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:When he was actually getting minutes Bargs was the 2nd best player on the team!!! People have seriously developed amnesia about last year. We didn't lose because of Bargnani. We lost cuz of Woody, JR, Felton sucking and Tyson breaking his leg etc. There were a myriad of reasons, but early in the year before Bargs lost his confidence and then got injured, he was avg'ing 16/6/1.3 blks on 47.4%, 81% FT and 37% from 3pt range. People just forget that he actually was doing that with Felton, Shump and JR stinking up the joint. IMO he most definitely can be a productive player. Coaching will make a huge difference and the presence of Jose will also help cuz they have chemistry. Bargs has never put together a really great season in his entire career? Even when he was putting up 17-20 points a game he was doing so inefficiently and playing atrocious defense. Then, the past 3 or 4 seasons he's been atrocious. Why should we think he is all of sudden going to play up to expectations now? |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/23/2014 11:13 AM
Jmpasq wrote:H1AND1 wrote:To me Bargs sucks and is a net negative on the court until he proves otherwise. Jackson is talking him The problem with the Knicks scoring less with Bargs on the floor was a COACHING issue and a PG issue. Neither Woodson nor Felton knew what the hell they were doing. I've never seen a team look as lost as they did last year. Stagnant, no passing, no spacing, no rhythm, no flow. Now we have a GM, Coach and System that will help all of our players to work well together. If you haven't yet looked into what the Triangle is all about then I suggest you do some research. It's literally NOTHING like what Woodson has been doing here. Now we're talking about a system that rewards players for being active and being able to shoot midrange shots. Now there's ball and player movement the entire 24 seconds. All the players know what to do and where to go. Once they learn the system and master it this should really help to stop the problems we had in the past. We haven't had that kind of offense. One of Bargs biggest problems last year was getting touches. They simply didn't move the ball enough nor get it to him in the best scoring position. If this team buys into the Triangle they will be put in prime scoring position and play as a team by default. That's how the system is designed. The Triangle forces players to think the game. Bigs now have to make decisions with the ball and the more they do the better they'll get at it. It's no guarantee that they do that, but we'll be sure to know who isn't buying in tho. |
NYKBocker
Posts: 37997 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
7/23/2014 11:19 AM
Bargs is a system type player. Most Euros are system players. ISO ball was bad for him because he can't create for himself or get open. I think he will be a very good C in this triangle offense. I think he will be a suped up Bill Wennington.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/23/2014 11:28 AM
If you look at the following highlight video notice the offense we're running and how sloppy it is. How often Bargnani gets the ball out of prime position. So often guys are just standing around. Also he's a much more active player when he's been involved in the game. He'll defend better. It's just the way he is. Seems to me that many of his coaches haven't paid attention to this. Now in this system at least the ball is designed to be passed to the big men so they can get a feel and be involved. He can survey the court and see what the defense does and make better decisions, closer to the basket. What I see in this video is a player with talent and size that needs to be coached up. He has the ability to do so much more than he has. Let's see what Phil and his boys can do.
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