dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That whole roster has only 1 or maybe 2 guys who are legitimate NBA starters.

Interesting what qualifies a player as being an nba starter?

can he defend the position?

Because all nba starters can defend their position?

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That whole roster has only 1 or maybe 2 guys who are legitimate NBA starters.

Interesting what qualifies a player as being an nba starter?

looking fairly good in most advanced stat metrics helps

So how many nba starters are nba starters according to these metrics?

C-Bargnani
C-Aldrich
C/PF-Jason Smith
PF-Amare
PF-Jeremy Tyler
SF-Melo
SF-Early
SF-Thanasis
SG-JR Smith
SG-Shump
SG-THJr
SG-Ellington
PG-Calderon
PG-Larkin
PG-Pablo

CUT: Brown, Dalembert(SHOCK MOVE. Big Sam just does not match well as a 5 in the triangle)

Inactive list: Ellington, Pablo, Aldrich

Starting 5
C-Bargnani - His outside shooting will be key.
PF-Jason Smith - Hoping he can provide shot blocking and rebounding.
SF-Melo - Olympic Melo needs to show up this year.
SG-Shump - Need his defense to protect Calderon.
PG-Calderon

Fisher will have a 9-10 man rotation. He will have these guys in the rotation...
PF-Amare - He will play starter minutes but will be a 6th man and feast on the the 2nd unit.
SF-Early
SG-JR Smith - He will be back to playing one of the better 6th man in the league. Hopefully he gets his value up.
SG-THJr
PG-Larkin

Out of rotation....Pablo, Thanasis

gunsnewing wrote:I wonder if we make the playoffs with that roster or any other combination

My hope stems from the season we had 2012-13- the roster isn't that much different/worse. But then again it's not that much different/better than last years abomination either!

Rookie wrote:This season is going to be ugly if this is our roster.

It could be, but last season our main flaw seemed to be PG- when Felton played okay we seemed to win despite how clumsy the roster looked. Calderon/Larkin is better than Felton/Beno. We have reloaded on 3 pt shooters (Calderon, Larkin, Early, Tim Jr, Ellington, Prigs, JR, Melo and hopefully a reinvigorated Shump). I worry about our rebounding, and the fact that Bargs is still here

Rookie wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Rookie wrote:This season is going to be ugly if this is our roster.

It could be, but last season our main flaw seemed to be PG- when Felton played okay we seemed to win despite how clumsy the roster looked. Calderon/Larkin is better than Felton/Beno. We have reloaded on 3 pt shooters (Calderon, Larkin, Early, Tim Jr, Ellington, Prigs, JR, Melo and hopefully a reinvigorated Shump). I worry about our rebounding, and the fact that Bargs is still here

I like that we've added some young character guys, but this team still needs leadership. More then likely this teams resembles last years. Also, I don't see why opposing teams guards are going to have any difficulty breaking us down, just like last year. And again, like last year, we will struggle getting points in the paint. 2 or 3 passes isn't going to break teams down in the triangle. If the ball sticks, it isn't going to work. The first few months of the season are going to be a struggle. From there, either this team bonds and forgets about individual stats or it will be a total break down.

Leadership is lacking for sure, but there just isn't that many leaders in the NBA, and there's certainly none available in FA.

If you get guys like artest and Kmart to join, you have a collective group of guys (youngs and vets) that are high character/IQ guys, so the lack of a true leader, isn't that detrimental.

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:That whole roster has only 1 or maybe 2 guys who are legitimate NBA starters.

Interesting what qualifies a player as being an nba starter?

can he defend the position?

Because all nba starters can defend their position?

NO, AND THAT is why some players in the NBA who start are not "legitimate" starters...

NYKBocker wrote:I can live with this roster moving forward. The big question is that who makes the 15. Here is my list of who makes it this year with what we have now...

C-Bargnani
C-Aldrich
C/PF-Jason Smith
PF-Amare
PF-Jeremy Tyler
SF-Melo
SF-Early
SF-Thanasis
SG-JR Smith
SG-Shump
SG-THJr
SG-Ellington
PG-Calderon
PG-Larkin
PG-Pablo

CUT: Brown, Dalembert(SHOCK MOVE. Big Sam just does not match well as a 5 in the triangle)

Inactive list: Ellington, Pablo, Aldrich

Starting 5
C-Bargnani - His outside shooting will be key.
PF-Jason Smith - Hoping he can provide shot blocking and rebounding.
SF-Melo - Olympic Melo needs to show up this year.
SG-Shump - Need his defense to protect Calderon.
PG-Calderon

Fisher will have a 9-10 man rotation. He will have these guys in the rotation...
PF-Amare - He will play starter minutes but will be a 6th man and feast on the the 2nd unit.
SF-Early
SG-JR Smith - He will be back to playing one of the better 6th man in the league. Hopefully he gets his value up.
SG-THJr
PG-Larkin

Out of rotation....Pablo, Thanasis

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Rookie wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Rookie wrote:This season is going to be ugly if this is our roster.

It could be, but last season our main flaw seemed to be PG- when Felton played okay we seemed to win despite how clumsy the roster looked. Calderon/Larkin is better than Felton/Beno. We have reloaded on 3 pt shooters (Calderon, Larkin, Early, Tim Jr, Ellington, Prigs, JR, Melo and hopefully a reinvigorated Shump). I worry about our rebounding, and the fact that Bargs is still here

I like that we've added some young character guys, but this team still needs leadership. More then likely this teams resembles last years. Also, I don't see why opposing teams guards are going to have any difficulty breaking us down, just like last year. And again, like last year, we will struggle getting points in the paint. 2 or 3 passes isn't going to break teams down in the triangle. If the ball sticks, it isn't going to work. The first few months of the season are going to be a struggle. From there, either this team bonds and forgets about individual stats or it will be a total break down.

Leadership is lacking for sure, but there just isn't that many leaders in the NBA, and there's certainly none available in FA.

If you get guys like artest and Kmart to join, you have a collective group of guys (youngs and vets) that are high character/IQ guys, so the lack of a true leader, isn't that detrimental.

My other concern is that we just don't have the personal that can attack and get the defense out of position. Screens and cuts isn't enough, you need guys who can attack inside and break defenses down off the dribble. We can't be successful as a jump shooting team. We need some guys who can get the ball inside and score for a high percentage.

Who did those things 2 years ago?

He was lincredible! What's his name again?

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Rookie wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Rookie wrote:This season is going to be ugly if this is our roster.

It could be, but last season our main flaw seemed to be PG- when Felton played okay we seemed to win despite how clumsy the roster looked. Calderon/Larkin is better than Felton/Beno. We have reloaded on 3 pt shooters (Calderon, Larkin, Early, Tim Jr, Ellington, Prigs, JR, Melo and hopefully a reinvigorated Shump). I worry about our rebounding, and the fact that Bargs is still here

I like that we've added some young character guys, but this team still needs leadership. More then likely this teams resembles last years. Also, I don't see why opposing teams guards are going to have any difficulty breaking us down, just like last year. And again, like last year, we will struggle getting points in the paint. 2 or 3 passes isn't going to break teams down in the triangle. If the ball sticks, it isn't going to work. The first few months of the season are going to be a struggle. From there, either this team bonds and forgets about individual stats or it will be a total break down.

Leadership is lacking for sure, but there just isn't that many leaders in the NBA, and there's certainly none available in FA.

If you get guys like artest and Kmart to join, you have a collective group of guys (youngs and vets) that are high character/IQ guys, so the lack of a true leader, isn't that detrimental.

My other concern is that we just don't have the personal that can attack and get the defense out of position. Screens and cuts isn't enough, you need guys who can attack inside and break defenses down off the dribble. We can't be successful as a jump shooting team. We need some guys who can get the ball inside and score for a high percentage.

Who did those things 2 years ago?

Wasn't his name Jeremy Lin:) Lin had a nice stretch with the inside/outdide game working for him. Then you had 6th man JR who also started to attck the basket and did less gunning. Then there was thebest 3 pt shooter in the league Novack.....of course they all came back down to earth again.

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Rookie wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Rookie wrote:This season is going to be ugly if this is our roster.

It could be, but last season our main flaw seemed to be PG- when Felton played okay we seemed to win despite how clumsy the roster looked. Calderon/Larkin is better than Felton/Beno. We have reloaded on 3 pt shooters (Calderon, Larkin, Early, Tim Jr, Ellington, Prigs, JR, Melo and hopefully a reinvigorated Shump). I worry about our rebounding, and the fact that Bargs is still here

I like that we've added some young character guys, but this team still needs leadership. More then likely this teams resembles last years. Also, I don't see why opposing teams guards are going to have any difficulty breaking us down, just like last year. And again, like last year, we will struggle getting points in the paint. 2 or 3 passes isn't going to break teams down in the triangle. If the ball sticks, it isn't going to work. The first few months of the season are going to be a struggle. From there, either this team bonds and forgets about individual stats or it will be a total break down.

Leadership is lacking for sure, but there just isn't that many leaders in the NBA, and there's certainly none available in FA.

If you get guys like artest and Kmart to join, you have a collective group of guys (youngs and vets) that are high character/IQ guys, so the lack of a true leader, isn't that detrimental.

My other concern is that we just don't have the personal that can attack and get the defense out of position. Screens and cuts isn't enough, you need guys who can attack inside and break defenses down off the dribble. We can't be successful as a jump shooting team. We need some guys who can get the ball inside and score for a high percentage.

Who did those things 2 years ago?

He was lincredible! What's his name again?

Chris Smith?