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nixluva
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7/18/2014  2:52 PM
jrodmc wrote:
nixluva wrote:No President is perfect, but let's just acknowledge that this country and the world were on the brink of disaster after Bush and like him or not, but Obama staved off the worst and things would be going great now if not for the Republican obstruction of his policies. If those same Republicans could get off Putin's jock long enough they might realize how wrong they were to basically say things suggesting they wanted Obama to act like Putin. Putin is making decisions that are negatively impacting his country. He bit off more than he can chew with this Ukraine situation and now it's biting him in the ass.

Exactly what has Putin done that's so great? He could have taken a different approach and tried to at the least maintain some economic ties with Ukraine rather than take this zero sum all or nothing tactic. Likewise, what have the Republicans done to help this country since Obama came into office? They've cost us Billions of dollars with their dumb tactics and Millions of jobs. Even now in the Red states Rural hospitals are closing left and right and people are dying just to try and block Obama's Medicaid expansion. It's the height of crass politics. Now just like Putin they're putting themselves in a bad situation. This dumb lawsuit against Obama is another example of it. Later they plan on trying to impeach Obama. This is just ridiculous.

Yes, of course, poor Obama. Those evil Republicans blew up the web site. Those evil Republicans created this health care mess we find ourselves in, where you have to change plans every 3 months. Those evil Republicans made poor Obama lie about the whole way his ObamaCare was actually going to work and be implemented.

When the evil dumb Republicans are in power, it's stupid crass politics. When the enlightened intelligent Dems are in power, it's the stupid evil crass Republicans responsible for Obama's approval rating. And anything else that goes awry.

The KoolAid line forms on the left, is that correct?


Just so you know, Obamacare is working as intended and guess what... Republicans came up with this form of Healthcare in the 1st place. This isn't the Progressive version of Healthcare for all. This is the Heritage Foundation version of Marketplace Healthcare so get your facts straight.

None of the horror stories the Republicans have been spewing over the years have come true. None of the negative things happened after the Stimulus, Auto Bailout, Obamacare and on and on it goes. They've been wrong on just about everything. When will you learn that not everyone wants some religious boss to tell them what kind of healthcare they can have? You're all for small gov't exept when it comes to the bedroom and then you're all up in our business. Small gov't except when it comes to restricting peoples ability to vote.

Basically i'm tired of hearing from the Conservative side, cuz they've got nothing but hypocrisy coming from their lips. Much of what They oppose now just cuz it's Obama are things Conservatives have championed in the past. Just a bunch of Big business Hypocrites. The Red states take in much more from the government than the Blue States, but you wouldn't know it from the way they talk. The Republican party is a vapid waste of space. They are on the wrong side of everything going on in this country. Gun Rights, Healthcare, Voting Rights, Women's Equality, Infrastructure investment, Outsourcing, the Environment... The list goes on. You know why? Cuz the Republican Party is merely the political arm of Big Business, Religious Right Wing Bullies and they tolerate Bigots and Racists in their fold. This is not opinion, this is fact.

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7/18/2014  6:22 PM
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So it's not Bush's fault. Except when it is. Obama is only dealing with all the fallout from the previous admin and is doing nothing wrong worth mentioning. I'm sure sanctions would have helped the Kurds during the Hussein regime.

Literally no one is saying this.

jrodmc wrote:
When it's not Bush's fault, it's imperialism/capitalism's fault. Let me ask you something, if the Euro's left the political divisions up to the populations who lived there, how would that have worked out? What Marxist nirvanic dream are you touting? Who had/has/will have the concept of how boundaries work in the ME?

I don't really know what you're trying to say here. I do know that the vast majority of the problems in the Middle East can pretty easily be traced back to the first half of the 20th century when Europeans arbitrarily redefined the borders of Middle Eastern countries and ignored all of their traditional ethnic and cultural divisions.

jrodmc wrote:And when all else fails, it's religion's fault. Check.

If you say so but you're the only one talking about religion.

jrodmc wrote:And when the Constitution is being overextended by activist liberal SC justices to provide the megalithic government we now find ourselves with, that's okay with you? Every company and organization in the country should be forced to provide contraceptives to whomever on demand because...that's the Pragmatic American Way? Every little backwater town hall meeting should be told what and what not to say in case some atheist gets his panties in a snit over the name "Jesus"?

The activist "Liberal" Supreme Court just ruled that companies don't have to provide contraceptives. Because, after all, private medical decisions should be made by the doctor, patient, and the patient's boss. And we don't have a snit when someone mentions Jesus, we have a snit when governments, whether federal or little, tiny backwaters, try to enact their interpretations of the Bible into law or clearly show favoritism to their religion at the exclusion of others.

jrodmc wrote:Only good, secular, non-religious atheists could come up with the concept describing the fact that a closely held private company should be told by the state what it has to offer it's employees in something as granular as birth control as keeping "religion" out of the "state". Isn't that really the other way around?

Only good, God-fearing Christians could believe that employers get to dictate the medical decisions of their employees. Oh, and go ahead and define "closely held" company for us.

jrodmc wrote:But then you're probably okay with the great government telling everyone what to do in every single circumstance, right?

Ignore all of actual US history, or better yet re-read "The Godless Constitution" again. We are a secular nation; always have been, always will be. Amen, brother.

No, but you seem to believe employers can!

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7/18/2014  7:39 PM
I can't take Melodrama, the knicks missing the playoffs........Bargini. The fake paradigm that is Republicrats and Demacians talking points.

Does this mean they shot down the first one too, or is that just water under the rug by now???

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7/18/2014  7:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2014  8:05 PM
I was just thinking about what other medications out there might be offensive to ones religious point of view and wondered if the Hobby Lobby litigants ever had a problem paying for Viagara prescriptions?

Now, I'll really admit I'm simpleton when it comes to politicos and law and policy and all that but I'm sure someone will come in and explain how god isn't necessarily against getting boned up with the help of pharmaceuticals provided you are Entered into the contract with a wedded partner. So surely that company doesn't condone Viagara for unwed men do they? How about gay employees? Giving those guys Viagara is just a slippery slope of gay sin that is just impossible to justify.

Jrod: Did you really label this Supreme Court as liberal? Care to explain how citizens united,
Hobby lobby, etc were indicative of this liberal slant?

Why should the government or business owners or _anyone_ besides doctor and patient be making decisions about ones healthcare besides that person and their doctor? That in a nutshell shows you how fuhucked up the healthcare system is just in general.

Oh and by the way, whomever mentioned it before is totally correct. The skeleton "Obamacare" was built upon was thought up by the Heritage Foundation as the Repulicans MARKET BASED alternative to Clinton's plan. Back then allll the republicans were on board with it. Then about a decadeater a guy named Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts, the same.exact.law for all intents and purposes. Back when Mitt ran the first time his Mass healthcare law was THE jewel of his candidacy. He was the Republican who took a market based healthcare plan and imemented it and it worked. Take that liberals! There's a clip somewhere floting around of none other than Jim DeMint touting it as a reason why people should vote for Mitt the first time around when he faced off against Mcain back I'm 2006. Then in a highly cynical maneuver that was 100% politics the republicans chose to not try to compromise and take a law they once authored and work to make it better when they could and instead simply stonewalled and fought which was all for nothing since the law passed anyway in a flawed form instead of something they could've had input on. I'll say it again it was republican policy/law originally and if you told a repub or dem in 1992 that a dem would pass the law in spite of republican opposition they'd have told you you were high.

Then Obama took it, specifically because it was something almost the entire Republican Party was once for and hence he thought it'd get support. Oh, yeah, once Obama supported it it became socialism, the end of the world, a manchiriam style plot to kill off all the old folks. Etc. Truly comical. Rinse and repeat with cap and trade. Again, a republican solution at one point, I know I know. This will all get explained away somehow but it's all true. .

I'm sure someone will come in and explain all this away and label me as just another Kale eating, Mao loving east coast commie who fully supports government subsidized programs where the nations god feari youth are herded into FEMA trailers and turned into gay welfare loving European socialists via Clockwork Orange/MK ULTRA style brainwashing. Eh. Whatever.

Can we talk Knicks again?

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7/18/2014  8:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2014  8:20 PM
nixluva wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
nixluva wrote:No President is perfect, but let's just acknowledge that this country and the world were on the brink of disaster after Bush and like him or not, but Obama staved off the worst and things would be going great now if not for the Republican obstruction of his policies. If those same Republicans could get off Putin's jock long enough they might realize how wrong they were to basically say things suggesting they wanted Obama to act like Putin. Putin is making decisions that are negatively impacting his country. He bit off more than he can chew with this Ukraine situation and now it's biting him in the ass.

Exactly what has Putin done that's so great? He could have taken a different approach and tried to at the least maintain some economic ties with Ukraine rather than take this zero sum all or nothing tactic. Likewise, what have the Republicans done to help this country since Obama came into office? They've cost us Billions of dollars with their dumb tactics and Millions of jobs. Even now in the Red states Rural hospitals are closing left and right and people are dying just to try and block Obama's Medicaid expansion. It's the height of crass politics. Now just like Putin they're putting themselves in a bad situation. This dumb lawsuit against Obama is another example of it. Later they plan on trying to impeach Obama. This is just ridiculous.

Yes, of course, poor Obama. Those evil Republicans blew up the web site. Those evil Republicans created this health care mess we find ourselves in, where you have to change plans every 3 months. Those evil Republicans made poor Obama lie about the whole way his ObamaCare was actually going to work and be implemented.

When the evil dumb Republicans are in power, it's stupid crass politics. When the enlightened intelligent Dems are in power, it's the stupid evil crass Republicans responsible for Obama's approval rating. And anything else that goes awry.

The KoolAid line forms on the left, is that correct?


Just so you know, Obamacare is working as intended and guess what... Republicans came up with this form of Healthcare in the 1st place. This isn't the Progressive version of Healthcare for all. This is the Heritage Foundation version of Marketplace Healthcare so get your facts straight.

None of the horror stories the Republicans have been spewing over the years have come true. None of the negative things happened after the Stimulus, Auto Bailout, Obamacare and on and on it goes. They've been wrong on just about everything. When will you learn that not everyone wants some religious boss to tell them what kind of healthcare they can have? You're all for small gov't exept when it comes to the bedroom and then you're all up in our business. Small gov't except when it comes to restricting peoples ability to vote.

Basically i'm tired of hearing from the Conservative side, cuz they've got nothing but hypocrisy coming from their lips. Much of what They oppose now just cuz it's Obama are things Conservatives have championed in the past. Just a bunch of Big business Hypocrites. The Red states take in much more from the government than the Blue States, but you wouldn't know it from the way they talk. The Republican party is a vapid waste of space. They are on the wrong side of everything going on in this country. Gun Rights, Healthcare, Voting Rights, Women's Equality, Infrastructure investment, Outsourcing, the Environment... The list goes on. You know why? Cuz the Republican Party is merely the political arm of Big Business, Religious Right Wing Bullies and they tolerate Bigots and Racists in their fold. This is not opinion, this is fact.

You are right about everything you wrote now lets hear the democratic flaws.

Bottomline is everyone sucks

especially Melo

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7/18/2014  8:28 PM
H1AND1 wrote:I was just thinking about what other medications out there might be offensive to ones religious point of view and wondered if the Hobby Lobby litigants ever had a problem paying for Viagara prescriptions?

Now, I'll really admit I'm simpleton when it comes to politicos and law and policy and all that but I'm sure someone will come in and explain how god isn't necessarily against getting boned up with the help of pharmaceuticals provided you are Entered into the contract with a wedded partner. So surely that company doesn't condone Viagara for unwed men do they? How about gay employees? Giving those guys Viagara is just a slippery slope of gay sin that is just impossible to justify.

Jrod: Did you really label this Supreme Court as liberal? Care to explain how citizens united,
Hobby lobby, etc were indicative of this liberal slant?

Why should the government or business owners or _anyone_ besides doctor and patient be making decisions about ones healthcare besides that person and their doctor? That in a nutshell shows you how fuhucked up the healthcare system is just in general.

Oh and by the way, whomever mentioned it before is totally correct. The skeleton "Obamacare" was built upon was thought up by the Heritage Foundation as the Repulicans MARKET BASED alternative to Clinton's plan. Back then allll the republicans were on board with it. Then about a decadeater a guy named Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts, the same.exact.law for all intents and purposes. Back when Mitt ran the first time his Mass healthcare law was THE jewel of his candidacy. He was the Republican who took a market based healthcare plan and imemented it and it worked. Take that liberals! There's a clip somewhere floting around of none other than Jim DeMint touting it as a reason why people should vote for Mitt the first time around when he faced off against Mcain back I'm 2006. Then in a highly cynical maneuver that was 100% politics the republicans chose to not try to compromise and take a law they once authored and work to make it better when they could and instead simply stonewalled and fought which was all for nothing since the law passed anyway in a flawed form instead of something they could've had input on. I'll say it again it was republican policy/law originally and if you told a repub or dem in 1992 that a dem would pass the law in spite of republican opposition they'd have told you you were high.

Then Obama took it, specifically because it was something almost the entire Republican Party was once for and hence he thought it'd get support. Oh, yeah, once Obama supported it it became socialism, the end of the world, a manchiriam style plot to kill off all the old folks. Etc. Truly comical. Rinse and repeat with cap and trade. Again, a republican solution at one point, I know I know. This will all get explained away somehow but it's all true. .

I'm sure someone will come in and explain all this away and label me as just another Kale eating, Mao loving east coast commie who fully supports government subsidized programs where the nations god feari youth are herded into FEMA trailers and turned into gay welfare loving European socialists via Clockwork Orange/MK ULTRA style brainwashing. Eh. Whatever.

Can we talk Knicks again?

Just off the top of my head:

Insulin and heparin, a very important blood thinner, are usually derived from pork products - Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Sikhism

Certain painkillers, such as morphine and oxycodone, are opiates - Islam

Blood transfusions and organ transplants - Jehovah's Witness

All medicine - Christian Scientist

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7/18/2014  8:44 PM
Looking at images now this is now. People are sick. I've officially lost faith in humanity. I hate Humans
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7/18/2014  8:53 PM
Nearly three hundred people lost their lives. Can we please all be a little respectful and appreciative of what we have that was taken so unnecessarily away from them? I was amazed when I heard this and I fail to comprehend what anyone could possible have to prove by an act of such extreme cowardice.
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7/18/2014  9:03 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Looking at images now this is now. People are sick. I've officially lost faith in humanity. I hate Humans

Papabear Says

Take that back! all humans aren't bad. Just some. All I can say is if we in America don't get our act together and that includes Reps and Dems we will explode from within.

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7/18/2014  9:59 PM
I don't get how obamacare became a subject for debate in this thread.

This Malaysian thing is pretty serious.

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7/18/2014  10:13 PM
Obamacare is the debate every where...........
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7/19/2014  12:25 AM
We need Putin outta here get that bum outta here!!!
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7/19/2014  12:26 AM
We got off on a tangent noting the whole thing about Putin being such a Man's Man, decisive leader and the love affair the Conservatives had with Putin and his strong leadership verses Obama. Putin is just a thug and he's not some great leader who out thought Obama. Putin unleashed a monster he couldn't control and now it cost innocent people their lives. He could've put a stop to this long ago, but he has kept it going and giving more weapons to the separatists. We don't need more macho world leaders. We need peace and diplomacy. The Middle East is another awful hotbed. It's crazy to think people still want to solve problems with violence. That never works and you'd think after all this time we would've learned that lesson. Hasn't worked for the US going into countries and fighting meaningless wars.
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nixluva wrote:We got off on a tangent noting the whole thing about Putin being such a Man's Man, decisive leader and the love affair the Conservatives had with Putin and his strong leadership verses Obama. Putin is just a thug and he's not some great leader who out thought Obama. Putin unleashed a monster he couldn't control and now it cost innocent people their lives. He could've put a stop to this long ago, but he has kept it going and giving more weapons to the separatists. We don't need more macho world leaders. We need peace and diplomacy. The Middle East is another awful hotbed. It's crazy to think people still want to solve problems with violence. That never works and you'd think after all this time we would've learned that lesson. Hasn't worked for the US going into countries and fighting meaningless wars.

Pretty accurate but has nothing to do with Obama presidency. The judgement is still on.
My opinion on Obama that he is one of this presidents who accomplished nothing on his watch.
And this is not necessary bad. To me less government does the better for everybody.
His only legacy is being first African American US president. And this is all about it.
But this is big accomplishment regardless. Now we need woman president and then gay president.
I would also like to see Native American president. This will be very appropriate.

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7/19/2014  11:34 AM
So much stuff here to answer- just got back home (1:30 AM), and have to get to sleep- not sure I can do this with any clarity...

jrodmc wrote:So it's not Bush's fault. Except when it is. Obama is only dealing with all the fallout from the previous admin and is doing nothing wrong worth mentioning.

Lets see who is responsible for these things which, even today, cast a shadow on the nation-
1)Housing Bubble, derivatives, credit default swaps due to lax regulations,
2)The Great Recession,
3)an education policy based on "doctored" achievements in Houston schools which did not, in fact, happen,
4)declaring an unjust war on Iraq based on false pretenses before work in Afghanistan was finished...

oh that's right, President Bush.

jrodmc wrote:I'm sure sanctions would have helped the Kurds during the Hussein regime.

There have been many instances where the UNITED NATIONS, not the United States, should have done something to help people being oppressed. Cambodia saw about 2,000,000 wiped out by its government. Serbian atrocities in Eastern Europe. Mao's use of violence in China.

Of course the U.S. also helped some of these evil doers. Pinochet and other dictators in Central and South America and this guy named Hussein in Iraq who was engaged in a war with Iran, for example. Might also want to read up about how the U.S. supported Pakistan as it killed hundreds of thousand Bengalis in the 1970s.


jrodmc wrote: it's not Bush's fault, it's imperialism/capitalism's fault. Let me ask you something, if the Euro's left the political divisions up to the populations who lived there, how would that have worked out? What Marxist nirvanic dream are you touting? Who had/has/will have the concept of how boundaries work in the ME?

Not exactly sure where Marxism fits in here. I also have a good idea that scholars would rip you apart for underestimating the impact of imperialism on present day problems. Look at the regions that were exploited by Europeans- Africa, Asia, the MR, Latin America- it is not a coincidence that so many problems exist there, economically and ethnically.

As for Boundaries:

Boundaries have been created and "bound" with blood for centuries. How exactly did this nation gain its boundaries? Do you actually think that the Europe you now see when you look at a map has always existed?? Why not read up on how Germany and Italy became Germany and Italy! Hell, you can go back and look at pre-1990 Europe and see how many changes there have been. Are you old enough to remember "ethnic cleasing?" You can't be that obtuse.

WWI was a EUROPEAN war about ethnic conflict and BOUNDARIES- about 16,000,000 died, and new BOUNDARIES and NATIONS were formed.

Almost 3% of the world's population perished in WWII, a war in which certain leaders/nations were not satisfied with the BOUNDARIES that existed.

The Korean and Vietnam wars developed because nations outside of those regions decided to divide the them up and create BOUNDARIES.

And how exactly did the U.S. gain its BOUNDARIES? Do you think Mexico and the Native Americans willingly gave up territory that belonged to them??!!

Perhaps the Europeans should have left the nations they took control of alone, and not exploited them as colonies. Funny that you seem to have no problem with this form of control over people, but you bristle at regulations our government creates to protect folks.

And by the way- Imperialism for Dummies tells us that European nations did not take control of other regions of the world to keep them from going to war amongst themselves. You are not a believer in the Kipling Poem "The White Man's Burden," are you?

jrodmc wrote: when all else fails, it's religion's fault. Check.
And when the Constitution is being overextended by activist liberal SC justices to provide the megalithic government we now find ourselves with, that's okay with you? Every company and organization in the country should be forced to provide contraceptives to whomever on demand because...that's the Pragmatic American Way? Every little backwater town hall meeting should be told what and what not to say in case some atheist gets his panties in a snit over the name "Jesus"?

Only good, secular, non-religious atheists could come up with the concept describing the fact that a closely held private company should be told by the state what it has to offer it's employees in something as granular as birth control as keeping "religion" out of the "state". Isn't that really the other way around?

But then you're probably okay with the great government telling everyone what to do in every single circumstance, right?



For the most part the S.Court has hardly been liberal. Declared Dredd Scott to be property in the 1850's, said separate but equal was a fine way to keep blacks segregated, supported the repression of free speech during WWI, allowed the U.S. to discriminate against Japanese citizens in WWII, etc. Conservatives only seem upset with Court "activism" when it means blacks, women, GLBT get the rights white guys (like myself) get, or when it tells Christians that theirs is not the only religion in the nation..


Which "good, secular, non-religious atheists" are you talking about, by the way. There are no atheists in foxholes, and none of any significance among those who are in government positions in this country.


So if companies are controlled by an owner from this or that religion and he/she decides that blood transfusions, vaccinations, and any other accepted medical practice which they don't believe in should be denied to their workers, who don't necessarily believe what they do, workers can be denied insurance that pays for these things???!!!

Geez... Can't believe that you are wishing for the "good old days" when Christianity was used to support the enslavement of Africans, and Southern States justified leaving the union because they were afraid that the "great megalithic government" of Lincoln would take their slaves away from them and trample on their rights as states!

And back then I know we wouldn't have government and court decisions telling our schools that they can't teach about Creationism or post copies of the 10 Commandments on the walls of schoolrooms, like the "great megalithic government" does today. Guess you have no issue with this kind of thing.

Looking forward to the zombie apocalypse and the collapse of a central government?


Read "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" by Robert Draper for some insight on why our first non-white Prez had had so many problems.

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nixluva wrote:We got off on a tangent noting the whole thing about Putin being such a Man's Man, decisive leader and the love affair the Conservatives had with Putin and his strong leadership verses Obama. Putin is just a thug and he's not some great leader who out thought Obama. Putin unleashed a monster he couldn't control and now it cost innocent people their lives. He could've put a stop to this long ago, but he has kept it going and giving more weapons to the separatists. We don't need more macho world leaders. We need peace and diplomacy. The Middle East is another awful hotbed. It's crazy to think people still want to solve problems with violence. That never works and you'd think after all this time we would've learned that lesson. Hasn't worked for the US going into countries and fighting meaningless wars.

Pretty accurate but has nothing to do with Obama presidency. The judgement is still on.
My opinion on Obama that he is one of this presidents who accomplished nothing on his watch.
And this is not necessary bad. To me less government does the better for everybody.
His only legacy is being first African American US president. And this is all about it.
But this is big accomplishment regardless. Now we need woman president and then gay president.
I would also like to see Native American president. This will be very appropriate.

With this post I can tell that you know NOTHING about this president or what he's done. To make such an foolish statement only proves to me that you need not continue to comment about what President Obama has or hasn't done. History will record that he was one of our best presidents despite the unprecedented obstruction and lies he's faced he still managed to change things for the better. Here is just a few of the things Obama has done despite the Republican interference only up to 2012. Since then Obama has done even more to help the country.

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.

20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.

22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”

23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.

25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.

26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.

27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.

28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.

29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.

30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.

31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.

32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.

33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.

34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.

35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.

36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.

37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.

38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.

40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.

41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.

42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.

43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.

44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.

45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.

47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.

48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.

49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.

50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.

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7/19/2014  10:00 PM
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nixluva wrote:No President is perfect, but let's just acknowledge that this country and the world were on the brink of disaster after Bush and like him or not, but Obama staved off the worst and things would be going great now if not for the Republican obstruction of his policies. If those same Republicans could get off Putin's jock long enough they might realize how wrong they were to basically say things suggesting they wanted Obama to act like Putin. Putin is making decisions that are negatively impacting his country. He bit off more than he can chew with this Ukraine situation and now it's biting him in the ass.

Exactly what has Putin done that's so great? He could have taken a different approach and tried to at the least maintain some economic ties with Ukraine rather than take this zero sum all or nothing tactic. Likewise, what have the Republicans done to help this country since Obama came into office? They've cost us Billions of dollars with their dumb tactics and Millions of jobs. Even now in the Red states Rural hospitals are closing left and right and people are dying just to try and block Obama's Medicaid expansion. It's the height of crass politics. Now just like Putin they're putting themselves in a bad situation. This dumb lawsuit against Obama is another example of it. Later they plan on trying to impeach Obama. This is just ridiculous.

Yes, of course, poor Obama. Those evil Republicans blew up the web site. Those evil Republicans created this health care mess we find ourselves in, where you have to change plans every 3 months. Those evil Republicans made poor Obama lie about the whole way his ObamaCare was actually going to work and be implemented.

When the evil dumb Republicans are in power, it's stupid crass politics. When the enlightened intelligent Dems are in power, it's the stupid evil crass Republicans responsible for Obama's approval rating. And anything else that goes awry.

The KoolAid line forms on the left, is that correct?

A recent survey conducted by the Commonwealth Fund revealed that 74% of Republicans are "satisfied" with Obamacare. This, of course, is for good reason as it marks the first time in our nation's history where our expenditures on healthcare services per GDP went down.

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/07/republicans-love-obamacare

This much was predicted by the few pragmatic conservatives left in the party, evidenced by this article:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/

So continue living in your bubble where a "D" attached to a politician's name is a bad thing.

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7/19/2014  10:06 PM
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H1AND1 wrote:I was just thinking about what other medications out there might be offensive to ones religious point of view and wondered if the Hobby Lobby litigants ever had a problem paying for Viagara prescriptions?

Now, I'll really admit I'm simpleton when it comes to politicos and law and policy and all that but I'm sure someone will come in and explain how god isn't necessarily against getting boned up with the help of pharmaceuticals provided you are Entered into the contract with a wedded partner. So surely that company doesn't condone Viagara for unwed men do they? How about gay employees? Giving those guys Viagara is just a slippery slope of gay sin that is just impossible to justify.

Jrod: Did you really label this Supreme Court as liberal? Care to explain how citizens united,
Hobby lobby, etc were indicative of this liberal slant?

Why should the government or business owners or _anyone_ besides doctor and patient be making decisions about ones healthcare besides that person and their doctor? That in a nutshell shows you how fuhucked up the healthcare system is just in general.

Oh and by the way, whomever mentioned it before is totally correct. The skeleton "Obamacare" was built upon was thought up by the Heritage Foundation as the Repulicans MARKET BASED alternative to Clinton's plan. Back then allll the republicans were on board with it. Then about a decadeater a guy named Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts, the same.exact.law for all intents and purposes. Back when Mitt ran the first time his Mass healthcare law was THE jewel of his candidacy. He was the Republican who took a market based healthcare plan and imemented it and it worked. Take that liberals! There's a clip somewhere floting around of none other than Jim DeMint touting it as a reason why people should vote for Mitt the first time around when he faced off against Mcain back I'm 2006. Then in a highly cynical maneuver that was 100% politics the republicans chose to not try to compromise and take a law they once authored and work to make it better when they could and instead simply stonewalled and fought which was all for nothing since the law passed anyway in a flawed form instead of something they could've had input on. I'll say it again it was republican policy/law originally and if you told a repub or dem in 1992 that a dem would pass the law in spite of republican opposition they'd have told you you were high.

Then Obama took it, specifically because it was something almost the entire Republican Party was once for and hence he thought it'd get support. Oh, yeah, once Obama supported it it became socialism, the end of the world, a manchiriam style plot to kill off all the old folks. Etc. Truly comical. Rinse and repeat with cap and trade. Again, a republican solution at one point, I know I know. This will all get explained away somehow but it's all true. .

I'm sure someone will come in and explain all this away and label me as just another Kale eating, Mao loving east coast commie who fully supports government subsidized programs where the nations god feari youth are herded into FEMA trailers and turned into gay welfare loving European socialists via Clockwork Orange/MK ULTRA style brainwashing. Eh. Whatever.

Can we talk Knicks again?

Just off the top of my head:

Insulin and heparin, a very important blood thinner, are usually derived from pork products - Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Sikhism

Certain painkillers, such as morphine and oxycodone, are opiates - Islam

Blood transfusions and organ transplants - Jehovah's Witness

All medicine - Christian Scientist

Any and all medication should/could be considered a violation of one's religion. Because those medications all help to subvert "God's will".

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7/19/2014  10:07 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:Nearly three hundred people lost their lives. Can we please all be a little respectful and appreciative of what we have that was taken so unnecessarily away from them? I was amazed when I heard this and I fail to comprehend what anyone could possible have to prove by an act of such extreme cowardice.

They thought it was military. There have been several incidents of this having happened in the past and/or near misses. Shit happens when governments/peoples become so paranoid of one another.

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7/19/2014  10:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2014  10:20 PM
nixluva wrote:We got off on a tangent noting the whole thing about Putin being such a Man's Man, decisive leader and the love affair the Conservatives had with Putin and his strong leadership verses Obama. Putin is just a thug and he's not some great leader who out thought Obama. Putin unleashed a monster he couldn't control and now it cost innocent people their lives. He could've put a stop to this long ago, but he has kept it going and giving more weapons to the separatists. We don't need more macho world leaders. We need peace and diplomacy. The Middle East is another awful hotbed. It's crazy to think people still want to solve problems with violence. That never works and you'd think after all this time we would've learned that lesson. Hasn't worked for the US going into countries and fighting meaningless wars.

If history teaches us anything, it's that violence works 100% of the time when wielded properly. The victims of it are really the only ones that don't fair particularly well. Just ask the indigenous people of our country who were slaughtered by the millions.

As for Putin, I don't think this is an admonishment against him. By no means am I trying to defend him but it's not like he gave the order to take it down and it's certainly not like people are going to remember this in 3 weeks time. Kim Kardashians titty is going to pop out or something of its ilk is going to happen and we'll forget all about this.

Malaysian flight crashes/shotdown in Russia/Ukraine

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