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7/14/2014  6:33 PM
The only problem we can have with STAT is if he breaks down. With reasonable minutes he should be able to give us a good number of games and maybe a real presence in the playoffs. He's always been among the most efficient players in the league and really because he's doing more than just dunking, it's even more impressive.


RK PLAYER TEAM GP PPG FGM FGA FGM FGA FG% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 DeAndre Jordan, C LAC 82 10.4 4.2 6.3 348 515 .676 348 515 .676 1.66 .676
2 Andre Drummond, C DET 81 13.5 5.9 9.5 479 769 .623 479 767 .625 1.42 .623
3 Dwight Howard, C HOU 71 18.3 6.7 11.3 473 800 .591 471 793 .594 1.62 .593
4 LeBron James, SF MIA 77 27.1 10.0 17.6 767 1353 .567 651 1047 .622 1.54 .610
5 Amir Johnson, PF TOR 77 10.4 4.5 7.9 344 612 .562 324 546 .593 1.31 .578
6 Amar'e Stoudemire, PF NY 65 11.9 4.8 8.6 311 558 .557 311 558 .557 1.38 .557
7 Robin Lopez, C POR 82 11.1 4.3 7.9 355 644 .551 355 643 .552 1.41 .551
8 Dwyane Wade, SG MIA 54 19.0 7.7 14.1 415 761 .545 406 729 .557 1.35 .551

Bargs can be a very useful player for us in the mid and high post. The main thrust of the Triangle is feeding the post and clearing thru, which often leads to a 2 man game with the guard and a pick and pop for the big. This is exactly what I was trying to harp on last year but Woodson never paid attention to this fact and failed to use Bargs properly. In the Triangle it's a basic feature of the offense to have your big in this position to get mid range shots and post ups.

Andrea Bargnani led the league in points per possession based on a minimum of 75 Pick and Pop possessions. Now keep in mind these stats are based soley on the Pick and Pop play type via Synergy Sports Technology extensive database. Take a look at the long list of All-Stars that fall behind Bargnani in this extremely important play type run multiple times during the course of an NBA game and season. Tim Duncan, Kevin Love, Kevin Garnett, LaMarcus Aldridge, Marc Gasol even former Knick David Lee, all trail Bargnani in points per possession which in essence is one of the more notable and realistic metrics used to gauge the efficiency of a player’s skill set.

Phil has stated that he too believes these players can thrive in this system and so it will be interesting to see them play in it. With Jose, THJ, JR and Melo on the floor there should be ample space for our bigs to get off. Our guards and wings will demand attention leaving STAT and Bargs one on one very often.

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7/14/2014  6:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  6:38 PM
I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year
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7/14/2014  6:43 PM
I trust Bargs in the new system. Its tailor made for his proven game.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/14/2014  6:48 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

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7/14/2014  6:58 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

Nix, don't you think you are being a tad bit too optimistic?

Bargs has been was of the least efficient big men in the NBA in the last 10 years.

How can you have any faith in him?

Don't you think that you should just wait a bit before making grandiose prediction as if they already happened?

He has been the same bad in NY as he was in Toronto and just for comparison, his WS48 is Toronto was .059 (7 seasons) and in NY it was .058 (1 season). Pretty much just a consistently awful player. Its like still predicting that Darko will be a good player. Bargs is a bust and most of us knew this before we made that mutha fukkin trade.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/14/2014  7:09 PM
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

Nix, don't you think you are being a tad bit too optimistic?

Bargs has been was of the least efficient big men in the NBA in the last 10 years.

How can you have any faith in him?

Don't you think that you should just wait a bit before making grandiose prediction as if they already happened?

He has been the same bad in NY as he was in Toronto and just for comparison, his WS48 is Toronto was .059 (7 seasons) and in NY it was .058 (1 season). Pretty much just a consistently awful player. Its like still predicting that Darko will be a good player. Bargs is a bust and most of us knew this before we made that mutha fukkin trade.

Agreed 100%. Bargs has never really been good so predicting that all of a sudden he's going to flourish is a big stretch. He is what he is and that is an inefficient 7 footer who doesn't rebound. I'd rather he be cut to be honest.

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7/14/2014  7:13 PM
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

Nix, don't you think you are being a tad bit too optimistic?

Bargs has been was of the least efficient big men in the NBA in the last 10 years.

How can you have any faith in him?

Don't you think that you should just wait a bit before making grandiose prediction as if they already happened?

He has been the same bad in NY as he was in Toronto and just for comparison, his WS48 is Toronto was .059 (7 seasons) and in NY it was .058 (1 season). Pretty much just a consistently awful player. Its like still predicting that Darko will be a good player. Bargs is a bust and most of us knew this before we made that mutha fukkin trade.


All i've ever said was that a coach has to use Bargs the right way. Give him a role that will enhance his strengths and not put him in a position to exaggerate his weaknesses. before you and others accuse me of being overly optimistic just remember that Phil Jackson agrees with me!!! He's saying the exact same things i've been saying. If you take a player and put him in a position to fail then what else will you expect? That's what has been happening to Bargs. He's not a great player but he has clear strengths that haven't been exploited enough by his coaches who keep trying to make him be something he's not!!!

It's not me who is saying that Bargs is the top Pick n Pop big in the league that was Synergy sports. We even saw a little of that last year, however, Woody's God awful offense didn't really make anyone better. The key is that this offense is going to give the ball to the bigs in good position much more often by design.

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7/14/2014  7:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2014  7:15 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

not picking on bargs just calling it like i saw it. I agree he wanst terrible on man to man defense but he still was inconsistent and was hurt which have been the two biggest knocks on him. Cant just blame woodson all teh time gotta hold the players accountable as well. I mean there was a reason toronto couldnt even give away bargs until we overpaid
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7/14/2014  7:15 PM
Bargiani is not a smart player at all, that move he made was almost suicide, the shot he took with the clock running out was almost to bad to excuse coming from a vet. I'll give him a slight pass because hee really tries to do too much.

Amare on the other hand is a great teammate and a hell of a player when healthy. Amare may force the issue sometimes, fck it, he's efficient, and when you can get to the line as often as he does, that's a major plus. Not only do I hope we keep him for the season, I hope we resign him on a 2 yr cheap deal

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7/14/2014  7:17 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

Nix, don't you think you are being a tad bit too optimistic?

Bargs has been was of the least efficient big men in the NBA in the last 10 years.

How can you have any faith in him?

Don't you think that you should just wait a bit before making grandiose prediction as if they already happened?

He has been the same bad in NY as he was in Toronto and just for comparison, his WS48 is Toronto was .059 (7 seasons) and in NY it was .058 (1 season). Pretty much just a consistently awful player. Its like still predicting that Darko will be a good player. Bargs is a bust and most of us knew this before we made that mutha fukkin trade.


All i've ever said was that a coach has to use Bargs the right way. Give him a role that will enhance his strengths and not put him in a position to exaggerate his weaknesses. before you and others accuse me of being overly optimistic just remember that Phil Jackson agrees with me!!! He's saying the exact same things i've been saying. If you take a player and put him in a position to fail then what else will you expect? That's what has been happening to Bargs. He's not a great player but he has clear strengths that haven't been exploited enough by his coaches who keep trying to make him be something he's not!!!

It's not me who is saying that Bargs is the top Pick n Pop big in the league that was Synergy sports. We even saw a little of that last year, however, Woody's God awful offense didn't really make anyone better. The key is that this offense is going to give the ball to the bigs in good position much more often by design.

Phil did say that but Phil is always spinning and playing zen mind games. What's he suppose to say? That Bargs is Sean Bradley's ugly brother?

I predict that Bargs will not have a good season and that we will get better production elsewhere.

If you predict otherwise, then great. Let's see who is correct.

I think that I may even be willing to give you 3:1.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/14/2014  7:18 PM
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nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

Nix, don't you think you are being a tad bit too optimistic?

Bargs has been was of the least efficient big men in the NBA in the last 10 years.

How can you have any faith in him?

Don't you think that you should just wait a bit before making grandiose prediction as if they already happened?

He has been the same bad in NY as he was in Toronto and just for comparison, his WS48 is Toronto was .059 (7 seasons) and in NY it was .058 (1 season). Pretty much just a consistently awful player. Its like still predicting that Darko will be a good player. Bargs is a bust and most of us knew this before we made that mutha fukkin trade.


All i've ever said was that a coach has to use Bargs the right way. Give him a role that will enhance his strengths and not put him in a position to exaggerate his weaknesses. before you and others accuse me of being overly optimistic just remember that Phil Jackson agrees with me!!! He's saying the exact same things i've been saying. If you take a player and put him in a position to fail then what else will you expect? That's what has been happening to Bargs. He's not a great player but he has clear strengths that haven't been exploited enough by his coaches who keep trying to make him be something he's not!!!

It's not me who is saying that Bargs is the top Pick n Pop big in the league that was Synergy sports. We even saw a little of that last year, however, Woody's God awful offense didn't really make anyone better. The key is that this offense is going to give the ball to the bigs in good position much more often by design.

Phil did say that but Phil is always spinning and playing zen mind games. What's he suppose to say? That Bargs is Sean Bradley's ugly brother?

I predict that Bargs will not have a good season and that we will get better production elsewhere.

If you predict otherwise, then great. Let's see who is correct.

I think that I may even be willing to give you 3:1.

Exactly. Im sure he is trying to be respectful to Bargs, I mean he isnt gonna say bargs sucks. In fact we heard he was trying to deal bargs to free up cap space
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7/14/2014  7:20 PM
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

not picking on bargs just calling it like i saw it. I agree he wanst terrible on man to man defense but he still was inconsistent and was hurt which have been the two biggest knocks on him. Cant just blame woodson all teh time gotta hold the players accountable as well. I mean there was a reason toronto couldnt even give away bargs until we overpaid

OH I can blame Woody for a lot!!! For one thing Bargs needed more touches in the mid and high post and when he got them he was even more fired up on the other end. He's the kind of player that has to be involved to get the most out of him. Phil fired Woodson cuz he SUCKS. We all watched him and how awful the team played. Just 3 SL games and the Kid Knicks look better than the team did last year.

It's not impossible for Bargs to be useful this year which is all i've been saying. I've never said he'd be an All Star or anything like that, but you'd think I did the way some have gone on about it. I'm just saying he can be a useful NBA player. You guys act like he NEVER played well which is not true. I think he's needed better coaching for a long time. He's got issues and he needs someone who can get thru to him and put him in a position to succeed and regain his confidence.

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7/14/2014  7:21 PM
nixluva wrote:The only problem we can have with STAT is if he breaks down. With reasonable minutes he should be able to give us a good number of games and maybe a real presence in the playoffs. He's always been among the most efficient players in the league and really because he's doing more than just dunking, it's even more impressive.


RK PLAYER TEAM GP PPG FGM FGA FGM FGA FG% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS FG%
1 DeAndre Jordan, C LAC 82 10.4 4.2 6.3 348 515 .676 348 515 .676 1.66 .676
2 Andre Drummond, C DET 81 13.5 5.9 9.5 479 769 .623 479 767 .625 1.42 .623
3 Dwight Howard, C HOU 71 18.3 6.7 11.3 473 800 .591 471 793 .594 1.62 .593
4 LeBron James, SF MIA 77 27.1 10.0 17.6 767 1353 .567 651 1047 .622 1.54 .610
5 Amir Johnson, PF TOR 77 10.4 4.5 7.9 344 612 .562 324 546 .593 1.31 .578
6 Amar'e Stoudemire, PF NY 65 11.9 4.8 8.6 311 558 .557 311 558 .557 1.38 .557
7 Robin Lopez, C POR 82 11.1 4.3 7.9 355 644 .551 355 643 .552 1.41 .551
8 Dwyane Wade, SG MIA 54 19.0 7.7 14.1 415 761 .545 406 729 .557 1.35 .551

Bargs can be a very useful player for us in the mid and high post. The main thrust of the Triangle is feeding the post and clearing thru, which often leads to a 2 man game with the guard and a pick and pop for the big. This is exactly what I was trying to harp on last year but Woodson never paid attention to this fact and failed to use Bargs properly. In the Triangle it's a basic feature of the offense to have your big in this position to get mid range shots and post ups.

Andrea Bargnani led the league in points per possession based on a minimum of 75 Pick and Pop possessions. Now keep in mind these stats are based soley on the Pick and Pop play type via Synergy Sports Technology extensive database. Take a look at the long list of All-Stars that fall behind Bargnani in this extremely important play type run multiple times during the course of an NBA game and season. Tim Duncan, Kevin Love, Kevin Garnett, LaMarcus Aldridge, Marc Gasol even former Knick David Lee, all trail Bargnani in points per possession which in essence is one of the more notable and realistic metrics used to gauge the efficiency of a player’s skill set.

Phil has stated that he too believes these players can thrive in this system and so it will be interesting to see them play in it. With Jose, THJ, JR and Melo on the floor there should be ample space for our bigs to get off. Our guards and wings will demand attention leaving STAT and Bargs one on one very often.

lets talk the macho end of the court first: these guys are an admixture of soft, stupid, and physically inadequate on defense.

so right there we have dug a hole come playoff time. we are talking about winning in the playoffs this year, right?

so the question becomes who will be more effective on offense? because at the end of the day, it comes down to who is the more positive-sum player of the two?

my opinion is that on offense these two players, too, remains a toss-up. passing the ball and being a playmaker is paramount-- the pau gasol role. neither of these guys should be playing center. here i think bargnani may have the better court vision-- stoudemire wears goggles and there's no way they are not impeding his court vision. i think as midrange shooters it's a tossup but gun to head it's bargnani again. i recall he had a pretty efficient midrange game, and the triangle is well suited to post-type and elbowish midrange stuff. but the tipping point is who between the two can make a step-back midrange shot out of the midpost?

my vote is bargnani.

aldrich or dalembert. aldrich must be given a chance.
bargnani at PF
anthiny at SF
calderon at pg he is a good pocket and hit the cutter bounce passer
for shooting guard it has to be the best defender of the pack.

that would be my starting five. choose the best defender at the shooting guard position as soon as possible and make that starting five your emphasis the entire pre-season. use the entire season to figure out substitution patterns on the fly. nobody expects you to make the playoffs. maybe by the 50th game things fall into place as you look ahead to making the playoffs. use the final 30 or so games to rest the older players as much as possible-- this is "system basketball," isn't it?

50 wins would qualify as a miracle.

38-43 wins is in the range of my personal expectation based on the personnel we have now.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/14/2014  7:23 PM
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

not picking on bargs just calling it like i saw it. I agree he wanst terrible on man to man defense but he still was inconsistent and was hurt which have been the two biggest knocks on him. Cant just blame woodson all teh time gotta hold the players accountable as well. I mean there was a reason toronto couldnt even give away bargs until we overpaid

OH I can blame Woody for a lot!!! For one thing Bargs needed more touches in the mid and high post and when he got them he was even more fired up on the other end. He's the kind of player that has to be involved to get the most out of him. Phil fired Woodson cuz he SUCKS. We all watched him and how awful the team played. Just 3 SL games and the Kid Knicks look better than the team did last year.

It's not impossible for Bargs to be useful this year which is all i've been saying. I've never said he'd be an All Star or anything like that, but you'd think I did the way some have gone on about it. I'm just saying he can be a useful NBA player. You guys act like he NEVER played well which is not true. I think he's needed better coaching for a long time. He's got issues and he needs someone who can get thru to him and put him in a position to succeed and regain his confidence.

I know you ahve always been a big Bargs supporter which is abosolutely fine but its ok to point out his flaws and there are plenty of flaws. I mena lets be perfectly hinest i am not the only one 95% of our fanbase has similar concerns about him
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7/14/2014  7:25 PM
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.

not picking on bargs just calling it like i saw it. I agree he wanst terrible on man to man defense but he still was inconsistent and was hurt which have been the two biggest knocks on him. Cant just blame woodson all teh time gotta hold the players accountable as well. I mean there was a reason toronto couldnt even give away bargs until we overpaid

OH I can blame Woody for a lot!!! For one thing Bargs needed more touches in the mid and high post and when he got them he was even more fired up on the other end. He's the kind of player that has to be involved to get the most out of him. Phil fired Woodson cuz he SUCKS. We all watched him and how awful the team played. Just 3 SL games and the Kid Knicks look better than the team did last year.

It's not impossible for Bargs to be useful this year which is all i've been saying. I've never said he'd be an All Star or anything like that, but you'd think I did the way some have gone on about it. I'm just saying he can be a useful NBA player. You guys act like he NEVER played well which is not true. I think he's needed better coaching for a long time. He's got issues and he needs someone who can get thru to him and put him in a position to succeed and regain his confidence.

woodson was truly inept my god LOL

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/14/2014  7:34 PM
With perhaps one of the worst coaching jobs we've seen and a shaky start by Bargs, he still ended up being one of our better players at the beginning of the year. I hated the way Woody was using Bargs as he ignored what was clearly working and allowed him to falter doing things he shouldn't be doing. Pretty much everyone performed below avg. If Bargs played so bad under Woody as did everyone except Melo, then there is reason to believe Bargs can do much better in this system as well as everyone else on the roster. It's not far fetched to see Bargs having better productions under Phil and Fish.


PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF 77 77 38.7 27.4 1.9 6.2 8.1 3.1 1.23 0.66 2.6 2.9 1.2 24.5
J.R. Smith, SG 74 37 32.7 14.5 0.5 3.5 4.0 3.0 0.88 0.27 1.5 2.6 2.0 14.0
Andrea Bargnani, C 42 39 29.9 13.3 1.6 3.6 5.3 1.1 0.33 1.24 1.4 2.4 0.8 14.5
Amar'e Stoudemire, PF 65 21 22.6 11.9 1.7 3.2 4.9 0.5 0.35 0.57 1.4 2.4 0.4 18.9
Tim Hardaway Jr., SG 81 1 23.1 10.2 0.2 1.3 1.5 0.8 0.54 0.09 0.6 1.8 1.4 12.8
Raymond Felton, PG 65 65 31.0 9.7 0.8 2.2 3.0 5.6 1.20 0.42 2.0 2.4 2.8 12.9
Tyson Chandler, C 55 55 30.2 8.7 2.9 6.7 9.6 1.1 0.65 1.15 1.3 2.6 0.8 16.5
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7/14/2014  7:58 PM
nixluva wrote:With perhaps one of the worst coaching jobs we've seen and a shaky start by Bargs, he still ended up being one of our better players at the beginning of the year. I hated the way Woody was using Bargs as he ignored what was clearly working and allowed him to falter doing things he shouldn't be doing. Pretty much everyone performed below avg. If Bargs played so bad under Woody as did everyone except Melo, then there is reason to believe Bargs can do much better in this system as well as everyone else on the roster. It's not far fetched to see Bargs having better productions under Phil and Fish.


PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF 77 77 38.7 27.4 1.9 6.2 8.1 3.1 1.23 0.66 2.6 2.9 1.2 24.5
J.R. Smith, SG 74 37 32.7 14.5 0.5 3.5 4.0 3.0 0.88 0.27 1.5 2.6 2.0 14.0
Andrea Bargnani, C 42 39 29.9 13.3 1.6 3.6 5.3 1.1 0.33 1.24 1.4 2.4 0.8 14.5
Amar'e Stoudemire, PF 65 21 22.6 11.9 1.7 3.2 4.9 0.5 0.35 0.57 1.4 2.4 0.4 18.9
Tim Hardaway Jr., SG 81 1 23.1 10.2 0.2 1.3 1.5 0.8 0.54 0.09 0.6 1.8 1.4 12.8
Raymond Felton, PG 65 65 31.0 9.7 0.8 2.2 3.0 5.6 1.20 0.42 2.0 2.4 2.8 12.9
Tyson Chandler, C 55 55 30.2 8.7 2.9 6.7 9.6 1.1 0.65 1.15 1.3 2.6 0.8 16.5

Thing is with AB, he is a stretch 5 that doesn't rebound well
Instead Woodson's fascination of using Tyson Chandler as Ben Wallace and AB as Rasheed Wallace and running The Knick's like Brown did with The DETROIT PISTON'S was annoying
We didn't have the IQ, versatility, lock down player's on DEF, or consistent shooters like Billups/Delfino/Affalo provided

I think AB could be a decent 5 depending on match ups but not so much as a PF, at least not without a system and a mobile/versatile/athletic C that Chandler was NOT

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7/14/2014  8:17 PM
RonRon wrote:
nixluva wrote:With perhaps one of the worst coaching jobs we've seen and a shaky start by Bargs, he still ended up being one of our better players at the beginning of the year. I hated the way Woody was using Bargs as he ignored what was clearly working and allowed him to falter doing things he shouldn't be doing. Pretty much everyone performed below avg. If Bargs played so bad under Woody as did everyone except Melo, then there is reason to believe Bargs can do much better in this system as well as everyone else on the roster. It's not far fetched to see Bargs having better productions under Phil and Fish.


PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Carmelo Anthony, SF 77 77 38.7 27.4 1.9 6.2 8.1 3.1 1.23 0.66 2.6 2.9 1.2 24.5
J.R. Smith, SG 74 37 32.7 14.5 0.5 3.5 4.0 3.0 0.88 0.27 1.5 2.6 2.0 14.0
Andrea Bargnani, C 42 39 29.9 13.3 1.6 3.6 5.3 1.1 0.33 1.24 1.4 2.4 0.8 14.5
Amar'e Stoudemire, PF 65 21 22.6 11.9 1.7 3.2 4.9 0.5 0.35 0.57 1.4 2.4 0.4 18.9
Tim Hardaway Jr., SG 81 1 23.1 10.2 0.2 1.3 1.5 0.8 0.54 0.09 0.6 1.8 1.4 12.8
Raymond Felton, PG 65 65 31.0 9.7 0.8 2.2 3.0 5.6 1.20 0.42 2.0 2.4 2.8 12.9
Tyson Chandler, C 55 55 30.2 8.7 2.9 6.7 9.6 1.1 0.65 1.15 1.3 2.6 0.8 16.5

Thing is with AB, he is a stretch 5 that doesn't rebound well
Instead Woodson's fascination of using Tyson Chandler as Ben Wallace and AB as Rasheed Wallace and running The Knick's like Brown did with The DETROIT PISTON'S was annoying
We didn't have the IQ, versatility, lock down player's on DEF, or consistent shooters like Billups/Delfino/Affalo provided

I think AB could be a decent 5 depending on match ups but not so much as a PF, at least not without a system and a mobile/versatile/athletic C that Chandler was NOT

Proper instruction is the key. If you can't put players in the best position for them to succeed then you just aren't doing a good job. STAT and Bargs both should do well in this system. It's up to the coach to make sure they drill the passing to the point where they both know the offense and can make solid passes out of the post. It's about making smart decisions and those decisions are easy. IF you're one on one or wide open, shoot it. If you're doubled, pass. You have teammates cutting and showing at the top so it's easy to make the decision of who to pass to. The more they drill it the better they'll get.

So far our Kid Knicks have gotten the hang of it. it's really not hard since the roles are clear and the choices are also clear. I liken the Triangle to being a QB. You get the ball and make a quick read of your receivers. If they're covered cutting to the basket, you go yourself, because you'll be one on one. It's really that simple.

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7/14/2014  8:57 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I hope Bargs has a good year but i have to be honest i ahve never been a fan and hated the trade. Gets hurt too much and has kind of been a disappointment as a former number 1 picks. Stat on the other hand despite injury issues has had much better success in his career. Either way both are expiring contracts and wont be back next year

It's easy to pick on Bargs, but last year he was our 2nd leading scorer for a good while before he got hurt and really he may have been trying to do too much cuz no one else but Melo was doing a damn thing. If he's given a clear role and allowed to maximize his talents he should be OK. I think he's gonna do much better under Phil and Fish than that clown Woodson. I'm only concerned with them being useful next year. If they play well it could also lead to a trade.


Bargs is a 7 footer that can get you 15/18 points a night and consistently hit the mid range jump shot and his man on man defense is really not that bad.
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7/14/2014  9:51 PM
What I want to know is are we getting 25 mpg, miss every 5th game STAT or have we loosened the reigns on him. I'd rather have him make a go of it rather than play the preservation game, because we've had a hard time integrating him and getting him into the flow.
STAT and Bargs Usefulness This Year

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