Would be nice to get kmart back if he's healthy.

I would love to get Matt Barnes here. He's a nasty dude that loves to fight.

Every team needs these type of guys to win. They make key defensive plays, take charges, make hard fouls, bring that physicality..... That come in and **** **** up mentality.

We have the scorers, we have the youth....we need the grunts

EnySpree wrote:I think Sam Dalembert is the only player we have that will put someone on their asses when we need it. He's not enough.

Would be nice to get kmart back if he's healthy.

I would love to get Matt Barnes here. He's a nasty dude that loves to fight.

Every team needs these type of guys to win. They make key defensive plays, take charges, make hard fouls, bring that physicality..... That come in and **** **** up mentality.

We have the scorers, we have the youth....we need the grunts

WWOD....

basically another "What Would Oak Do?" thread!

Is this in response to the "Who plays defense thread"? Or the soon to be written "Who rebounds thread"?

How about the "Need new uniform thread"?

Guess what folks, we are not winning a championship next year!!!

Lets get to the playoffs again as a start.

tj23 wrote:I love the old school mentality but I don't think being physical is a need anymore today. I think we need smarter players on the roster, not necessarily tougher. Everything is a foul today. I remember James White looked really tough and physical. He played some agressive defense but he kept getting fouls called on him. I just want us to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. I think Fishy might be the answer.

Every Good team has tough guys.

A team like the Spurs is special because Pop has his entire roster playing the same exact way. That's rare. So the whole team collapses and closes in on defense no matter who is out there.

Miami had the big three, but Battier, Birdman, Haslem, Chalmers, Cole all brought it defensively. It's contagious where the where the whole team takes on those habits. The heat were very physical as a team and could really put that pressure on when they played their best. They didn't have it last year that's why they lost.

Those teams had great leadership from their main guys. The knocks don't have that luxury. We played well when that voice came from the gangsters in the locker room like sheed, Kurt thomas, kidd, etc...we need that influence on the team to get the team edge we need on defense.

Vmart wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

tj23 wrote:I love the old school mentality but I don't think being physical is a need anymore today. I think we need smarter players on the roster, not necessarily tougher. Everything is a foul today. I remember James White looked really tough and physical. He played some agressive defense but he kept getting fouls called on him. I just want us to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. I think Fishy might be the answer.

Every Good team has tough guys.

A team like the Spurs is special because Pop has his entire roster playing the same exact way. That's rare. So the whole team collapses and closes in on defense no matter who is out there.

Miami had the big three, but Battier, Birdman, Haslem, Chalmers, Cole all brought it defensively. It's contagious where the where the whole team takes on those habits. The heat were very physical as a team and could really put that pressure on when they played their best. They didn't have it last year that's why they lost.

Those teams had great leadership from their main guys. The knocks don't have that luxury. We played well when that voice came from the gangsters in the locker room like sheed, Kurt thomas, kidd, etc...we need that influence on the team to get the team edge we need on defense.

A player like Jeff Adrian would help. I think Cole could be a decent defensive center. I think Shump is vastly overrated but in the past he was much better defensive player. Melo is not a bad defensive player but playing out of position I think hurts him as the game progresses. The pounding by PF takes it's toll on him and his production tends to fall in the 4th. JR can be a decent defensive player but the guy isn't all there in terms of commitment to the game.

Melo playing out of position and being asked to be Oakley and Bernard King at the same time is no good. We need his role guys to sacrifice their bodies because that's their game. It's not Melos game to be protecting the paint and being the enforcer protecting his teammates. We need guys that lace up the sneakers everyday to put guys on their ass

I think Melo needs a versatile SF/PF to compliment him, like a YOUNG Marion though Marion could be attainable as a UFA
Would have loved James Johnson for his bang for the buck considering his age/size/length, though Jeff Adrien isn't as proven he has good upside
Preferably, we need LOCK DOWN defenders in the PG/SG/ SF/PF position *depending on which position Melo plays*, our C rotation is adequate in my opinion

In addition to a mobile athletic PF/C rotation

Dalembert
Cole Alrich
Bargnani played very well at Center last season, though needs a very good rebounding/shot blocking/mobile athletic PF to compliment him
Jeremy Tyler *like JR Smith, he has all the tools/potential to be a good player, was disappointed he did not come in to Summer League in supreme condition considering that was one of his problems with work ethic in the past, with Phil Jackson in town and a non guaranteed contract

RonRon wrote:Melo has always had trouble defending shooters, a problem at SF, someone like Kyle Korver could light him up as a role player
He does have great strength, decent athleticism though not great, and lacks speed/quickness
Is Melo a SF or PF? Does it make a difference? It depends mainly on our match up and the rest of our lineups

I think Melo needs a versatile SF/PF to compliment him, like a YOUNG Marion though Marion could be attainable as a UFA
Would have loved James Johnson for his bang for the buck considering his age/size/length, though Jeff Adrien isn't as proven he has good upside
Preferably, we need LOCK DOWN defenders in the PG/SG/ SF/PF position *depending on which position Melo plays*, our C rotation is adequate in my opinion

In addition to a mobile athletic PF/C rotation

Dalembert
Cole Alrich
Bargnani played very well at Center last season, though needs a very good rebounding/shot blocking/mobile athletic PF to compliment him
Jeremy Tyler *like JR Smith, he has all the tools/potential to be a good player, was disappointed he did not come in to Summer League in supreme condition considering that was one of his problems with work ethic in the past, with Phil Jackson in town and a non guaranteed contract

Is not a question if a guy can play a position or adequately defend it. It's about bringing the nasty necessary to be effective. We can't ask Melo and Bargs to do that.

You mention Marion if you plan to have Melo play the 4... That works in stints. Matt Barnes and Gerald Wallace would work too.

If we want that option we should look into it. Not sure what Phil would do, but trading Amare for Gerald would work for us. He would take away youth playing time but would enhance their development learning to play from a guy like Gerald.

knicks1248 wrote:Smash mouth posse, please, those days are long gone. I don't need guys getting techs, suspended, flagrants fouls, for pitty pat fouls that look brutal in slow motion. Those are points you can't give away in close games.

Nobody is looking to get sudpended.

Shane Battier is a dirty player. He gave hard fouls, pulled jerseys and such....He never got engaged with technicals because of his temperament but no doubt he played smash mouth. Guys would eat the dirt or his elbows if the play called for it. He rallied his team to play the same.

Nobody said anything about signing a bunch of knuckle heads. The knicks need guys in the 15 man roster that you can throw in to **** **** up.

The frenchman that he drafted fits the long athletci PF mold. I see him coming here in a year or 2.