A returning Melo presents a fresh start:

A more balanced roster, a draft pick, and cap space after next year.

Melo has been a disappointment because the expectation of him as savior was sold to a starphuch thirsty fan base by a media starving for content. The same Media will also sell you content with him as the scapegoat. Blame is a media tool to create emotion.

Max money is a hot topic and one to debate for a long time. What constitutes a max player? I read many UKers debunk anyone not named Love, Durant, and Lebron. Even Love is debated because "HE" hasn't gone to the playoffs.

Its easy for fans to throw around others money, or assign values based on your love or hate for team and player.

So we have to settle in to the possibility of Melo as a max, or near max player on the knicks. To me its not about him, but what you put him on the floor with.

In the triangle with a better roster of players that are committed to it, and a fresh mindset confident in the system one could have the foresight to see an improved team with Melo as its top scorer.

Gone would be disconnect of player and system we have been so accustomed receiving.

What is Value added here? "Phish"!!! (Phil and Fisher)and a change of culture. Melo won't be empowered to disrupt anymore. Melo will be a part of the system, not the focal point. We won't need to cater to keeping him here. A roster of players young and old that are in synch with the triangle.

Not without growing pains mind you or set backs of course, but the core reasons we bring phil in was not to be just a player personal Jedi (dude did mess up Donnie Nelson last week or crush Paxton/Forman's Booze hand off idea) but to hire a coach to extend the Zen, install the triangle and develop yoot. Think beyond Bargs and Amare.

Melo still has to digest Dwights bad humor, Hardens ball hogging ways and ugly beard, Kobe's scars and lack of coach, and perhaps Cubes offer for La La to be the tits on shark tank every week before he recommits to the knicks, but this is my vision for "Max Melo".

yellowboy90 wrote:Are u making a new melo-centric thread every day until he signs?

Yes, if its a fresh take. Seems his value as a basketball player is measured via his salary or what he is willing to be paid vs. being a member of a team.

there is more than just melo to a roster.

meloshouldgo wrote:Straight up spin. Sloan couldn't get Deron Williams to not be disprove anymore than Phil can get Melo to.
This is an adult multimillionaire who is rightly or wrongly adored by a star crazy fanbase. His current actions show that he is immature and attention seeking and he wants star treatment. He obviously thinks he deserves to be treated differently and if that's not disruptive to a team concept I don't know what would be.

You do know how Phil got the nickname Zen master right?

meloshouldgo wrote:Straight up spin. Sloan couldn't get Deron Williams to not be disprove anymore than Phil can get Melo to.
This is an adult multimillionaire who is rightly or wrongly adored by a star crazy fanbase. His current actions show that he is immature and attention seeking and he wants star treatment. He obviously thinks he deserves to be treated differently and if that's not disruptive to a team concept I don't know what would be.

Do players not mature as they get older and more experienced? Learn from mistakes, improve their game?

Is Deron the same as Melo? Sloan the same as Karl, MDA or Woodson?

His current actions to me don't seem nearly as attention whoring we have seen by him and others in the past. We are hyping it as is the Media. The MeloPalooza banners are done by the BUlls and Rockets, not Melo.
While Im not homer on the subject of Melo I don't find his actions nearly as appaling as "the decision" or even close.

The man is a free agent for the first time and teams are trying to pair him within the constraints of the financial realities that exist. He picked 4 teams to visit.

Disruptive to team concept? The notion of it on the knicks is almost laughable! Can't win without a star and they are rare indeed. Perhaps you want the recreation of the 1970-73 knicks as we all might but this is not the NBA today. The spurs are the exception not the rule. Larry Browns Pistons as well. After that, its the stars that win.

MY point is can Melo become a better passer in the triangle? can the game be easier for him and subsequently the rest of the team? Can Melo be a better player under ZEN-PHISh?

Nalod wrote:While Im not homer on the subject of Melo I don't find his actions nearly as appaling as "the decision" or even close.

The man is a free agent for the first time and teams are trying to pair him within the constraints of the financial realities that exist. He picked 4 teams to visit.

MY point is can Melo become a better passer in the triangle? can the game be easier for him and subsequently the rest of the team? Can Melo be a better player under ZEN-PHISh?

And despite all the best brainpower on here to the contrary, Melo just might have enough synapses firing to understand the history of Zen and his ability to benefit from it. Now. While the stock is high.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Nalod wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Straight up spin. Sloan couldn't get Deron Williams to not be disprove anymore than Phil can get Melo to.
This is an adult multimillionaire who is rightly or wrongly adored by a star crazy fanbase. His current actions show that he is immature and attention seeking and he wants star treatment. He obviously thinks he deserves to be treated differently and if that's not disruptive to a team concept I don't know what would be.

Do players not mature as they get older and more experienced? Learn from mistakes, improve their game?

Is Deron the same as Melo? Sloan the same as Karl, MDA or Woodson?

His current actions to me don't seem nearly as attention whoring we have seen by him and others in the past. We are hyping it as is the Media. The MeloPalooza banners are done by the BUlls and Rockets, not Melo.
While Im not homer on the subject of Melo I don't find his actions nearly as appaling as "the decision" or even close.

The man is a free agent for the first time and teams are trying to pair him within the constraints of the financial realities that exist. He picked 4 teams to visit.

Disruptive to team concept? The notion of it on the knicks is almost laughable! Can't win without a star and they are rare indeed. Perhaps you want the recreation of the 1970-73 knicks as we all might but this is not the NBA today. The spurs are the exception not the rule. Larry Browns Pistons as well. After that, its the stars that win.

MY point is can Melo become a better passer in the triangle? can the game be easier for him and subsequently the rest of the team? Can Melo be a better player under ZEN-PHISh?

Apparently one of us lives in a bizarre alternate universe. Because I don't see any reduction in his attention seeking childish behavior. He actually came out and said he wants to be wooed by other teams - if that doesn't spell Diva to you then we should start with English 101. I am so tired of the "can't win without a star" line it's not even funny. In case you didn't catch on over the last four years we obviously can't win with a so-called start either especially the current incumbent. Yes team concept was laughable in NY - mainly because we were catering to this selfish man-child. Need to let go of the past and move on.

Phil isn't coaching Fisher is, I would rather he spend his energy building a championship team than trying to convert a man-child into a man at age 30. Do you zen?

i find your take on matters refreshing. didn't we just see miami get completely destroyed, dismantled, embarrassed?

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Nalod wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Straight up spin. Sloan couldn't get Deron Williams to not be disprove anymore than Phil can get Melo to.
This is an adult multimillionaire who is rightly or wrongly adored by a star crazy fanbase. His current actions show that he is immature and attention seeking and he wants star treatment. He obviously thinks he deserves to be treated differently and if that's not disruptive to a team concept I don't know what would be.

Do players not mature as they get older and more experienced? Learn from mistakes, improve their game?

Is Deron the same as Melo? Sloan the same as Karl, MDA or Woodson?

His current actions to me don't seem nearly as attention whoring we have seen by him and others in the past. We are hyping it as is the Media. The MeloPalooza banners are done by the BUlls and Rockets, not Melo.
While Im not homer on the subject of Melo I don't find his actions nearly as appaling as "the decision" or even close.

The man is a free agent for the first time and teams are trying to pair him within the constraints of the financial realities that exist. He picked 4 teams to visit.

Disruptive to team concept? The notion of it on the knicks is almost laughable! Can't win without a star and they are rare indeed. Perhaps you want the recreation of the 1970-73 knicks as we all might but this is not the NBA today. The spurs are the exception not the rule. Larry Browns Pistons as well. After that, its the stars that win.

MY point is can Melo become a better passer in the triangle? can the game be easier for him and subsequently the rest of the team? Can Melo be a better player under ZEN-PHISh?

Apparently one of us lives in a bizarre alternate universe. Because I don't see any reduction in his attention seeking childish behavior. He actually came out and said he wants to be wooed by other teams - if that doesn't spell Diva to you then we should start with English 101. I am so tired of the "can't win without a star" line it's not even funny. In case you didn't catch on over the last four years we obviously can't win with a so-called start either especially the current incumbent. Yes team concept was laughable in NY - mainly because we were catering to this selfish man-child. Need to let go of the past and move on.

Phil isn't coaching Fisher is, I would rather he spend his energy building a championship team than trying to convert a man-child into a man at age 30. Do you zen?

i find your take on matters refreshing. didn't we just see miami get completely destroyed, dismantled, embarrassed?

Miami went to finals 4 times, won two. Embarrassed? Ask the 28 other teams if they were.

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Nalod wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Straight up spin. Sloan couldn't get Deron Williams to not be disprove anymore than Phil can get Melo to.
This is an adult multimillionaire who is rightly or wrongly adored by a star crazy fanbase. His current actions show that he is immature and attention seeking and he wants star treatment. He obviously thinks he deserves to be treated differently and if that's not disruptive to a team concept I don't know what would be.

Do players not mature as they get older and more experienced? Learn from mistakes, improve their game?

Is Deron the same as Melo? Sloan the same as Karl, MDA or Woodson?

His current actions to me don't seem nearly as attention whoring we have seen by him and others in the past. We are hyping it as is the Media. The MeloPalooza banners are done by the BUlls and Rockets, not Melo.
While Im not homer on the subject of Melo I don't find his actions nearly as appaling as "the decision" or even close.

The man is a free agent for the first time and teams are trying to pair him within the constraints of the financial realities that exist. He picked 4 teams to visit.

Disruptive to team concept? The notion of it on the knicks is almost laughable! Can't win without a star and they are rare indeed. Perhaps you want the recreation of the 1970-73 knicks as we all might but this is not the NBA today. The spurs are the exception not the rule. Larry Browns Pistons as well. After that, its the stars that win.

MY point is can Melo become a better passer in the triangle? can the game be easier for him and subsequently the rest of the team? Can Melo be a better player under ZEN-PHISh?

Apparently one of us lives in a bizarre alternate universe. Because I don't see any reduction in his attention seeking childish behavior. He actually came out and said he wants to be wooed by other teams - if that doesn't spell Diva to you then we should start with English 101. I am so tired of the "can't win without a star" line it's not even funny. In case you didn't catch on over the last four years we obviously can't win with a so-called start either especially the current incumbent. Yes team concept was laughable in NY - mainly because we were catering to this selfish man-child. Need to let go of the past and move on.

Phil isn't coaching Fisher is, I would rather he spend his energy building a championship team than trying to convert a man-child into a man at age 30. Do you zen?

As a Knicks fan the idea of Melo buying into the triangle and bringing his game to another level which in turn helps the Knicks contend is very appealing.

I don't understand why the thought of this offends you. This should be something all Knicks fans hope for as it would be the best case scenario.

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Nalod wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Straight up spin. Sloan couldn't get Deron Williams to not be disprove anymore than Phil can get Melo to.
This is an adult multimillionaire who is rightly or wrongly adored by a star crazy fanbase. His current actions show that he is immature and attention seeking and he wants star treatment. He obviously thinks he deserves to be treated differently and if that's not disruptive to a team concept I don't know what would be.

Do players not mature as they get older and more experienced? Learn from mistakes, improve their game?

Is Deron the same as Melo? Sloan the same as Karl, MDA or Woodson?

His current actions to me don't seem nearly as attention whoring we have seen by him and others in the past. We are hyping it as is the Media. The MeloPalooza banners are done by the BUlls and Rockets, not Melo.
While Im not homer on the subject of Melo I don't find his actions nearly as appaling as "the decision" or even close.

The man is a free agent for the first time and teams are trying to pair him within the constraints of the financial realities that exist. He picked 4 teams to visit.

Disruptive to team concept? The notion of it on the knicks is almost laughable! Can't win without a star and they are rare indeed. Perhaps you want the recreation of the 1970-73 knicks as we all might but this is not the NBA today. The spurs are the exception not the rule. Larry Browns Pistons as well. After that, its the stars that win.

MY point is can Melo become a better passer in the triangle? can the game be easier for him and subsequently the rest of the team? Can Melo be a better player under ZEN-PHISh?

Apparently one of us lives in a bizarre alternate universe. Because I don't see any reduction in his attention seeking childish behavior. He actually came out and said he wants to be wooed by other teams - if that doesn't spell Diva to you then we should start with English 101. I am so tired of the "can't win without a star" line it's not even funny. In case you didn't catch on over the last four years we obviously can't win with a so-called start either especially the current incumbent. Yes team concept was laughable in NY - mainly because we were catering to this selfish man-child. Need to let go of the past and move on.

Phil isn't coaching Fisher is, I would rather he spend his energy building a championship team than trying to convert a man-child into a man at age 30. Do you zen?

As a Knicks fan the idea of Melo buying into the triangle and bringing his game to another level which in turn helps the Knicks contend is very appealing.

I don't understand why the thought of this offends you. This should be something all Knicks fans hope for as it would be the best case scenario.

Where did I say I would be offended by Melo buying into the team plan? I just said it's quite possibly a waste of time and money to even try to get him to buy in. And that's based on reality and having watched him for the last 4 years. I am more concerned with what's best for the Knicks and in my opinion that does not include Melo in it. Let him go take 35 shots a game for some other team. If he buys in I will be happy. But I don't think that will happen.