I think Frank holds a great amount of value. The games he got time in he produced. In the games he played more than 20 minutes he averaged 11 and 6, and in the playoffs he showed things that would increase his value more than a "a guy averaging 4 and 2."

Plus he's cheap and is still very young. VS. everyone else on the Knicks he's more tradeable and leaguewide I'd say for teams needing a PG he could have some value.

Cleveland was interested in trading Darius Miles for him.

Orlando was interested in trading Drew Gooden for him.

I think this is a case of you undervalueing him. What can you expect Williams to do when he played behind a top PG in the NBA and rarely had time to show himself.

When Williams started games and when he got excess playing time he was an above-average point guard, something many teams, Clevaland and Orlando specifically, need. I think you have to look past his averages. If Rip Hamilton played on a fantasy team with Bryant at 2 and McGrady at 3, he wouldn't put up good #s. That wouldn't mean he isn't a good player. It's the same case here. Look at the times when Williams was given a chance to play. When he played over 20 minutes he averaged 11 points and 6 assists. He had stretches during the Knicks/Nets series where he shut down Kidd, and he's young and cheap.

And teams have been interested in him.

That wasn't even the question, the question was do you think, becuase the Knicks are working out PGs, that he will be traded. Would the Knicks be hurt that much if they took Tim Pickett in Round 2 and then traded FW and Mutumbo to the Magic for Gooden and Garrity. The Magic will be adding a PF in all likelihood with their draft pick, and they have Juwan Howard there. Gooden is expendable and Garrity just signed an extension. They'd get cap room for next year and would be able to add a PG they feel can start (they offered Gooden for FW back around the allstar break). Knicks get one of the best shooting PFs in the NBA in Garrity, who can run the pick and roll with Marbury 5 times a game and score 6-10 easy points. Gooden will be a project but I see him becoming a Corliss Williamson type tweener, not as strong, but a guy who can play either forward spot and can cause matchup problems. Might give NY a bulk at PF but still, these are moves I'd like to make where they get more versatile and younger while not really losing anything.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 05/24/2004 01:05:20]

Orlando was interested in trading Drew Gooden for him.

I haven't heard anything about that!

Cleveland was interested in trading Darius Miles for him.

I notice you're using "was" a lot. Is any team "currently" interested in him???

I dont think Frank has alot of trade value.one thing he does have is heart he earn my respect by putting Kidd on his ass. I thought we should had traded him for Darius Miles.If we cannot get a similar trade then we should keep him as a backup.

Posted by Bonn1997:

What teams have expressed any interest in Frank???

4 PPG, 2 APG and a lot of turnovers won't get you much in return. This is just an example of Knick fans over-valueing their players. I like Frank, but he does not have much trade value.

how do you know?

this is just an example of a closet Spurs/laker/bulls fan trying to act like he know something by posting up misleading stats.

Frank is 24 and just came off a decent series against New Jersey. I feel his stats are very misleading that's why there are such jobs like scouts to actually evaluate players by watching them on the court.

Watch games like the rest of us and stop stat crunching on the net when the boss isn't looking.

Getting Wilcox, Harrington, or Gooden for Frank (even if you have to throw in Kurt) would be ideal.

I think Frank has plenty of value around the league. Look at how much we covet Wilcox. The Clips are probably saying to themselves, 'we don't need this guy, but his stats aren't good enough to get anyone in a trade...' I think we have to assume that scouts in the league are smart enough to know that stats are a result of playing time. Actually, anyone who doesn't know that probably doesn't watch too many games.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Orlando was interested in trading Drew Gooden for him.

I haven't heard anything about that!

Cleveland was interested in trading Darius Miles for him.

I notice you're using "was" a lot. Is any team "currently" interested in him???

Man you just pissed me off. So the only way you know teams are interested is if you see it on Sports Center, the newspapers, somewhere on the net, etc?

So tell me who reported the Bucks being interested in Keith Van Horn? Who knew Pheonix was going to trade Stephon Marbury?
Who knew Houston would take Weatherspoon for Moochie?


There is no way of knowing for sure who is interested in who especially right now. I could see you just saying that you don't think teams are out looking to get Frank Williams.....you have to take it down a road of ignorance.

Geez louise

Biggest rumor monger around is " the little birdie".

I love it when "I think Isiah gonna" is said. Maybe Isiah talks with " the Little Birdie", or miss cleo!

Posted by NYKDUNK:

At this point, I agree with Bonn in that FW doesn't have much trade value. But that is a good thing. FW brings intangibles that you can't teach. And he's homegrown.

Dude, don't you realize how angry that's going to make EnySpree? You saw what happened after I said I didn't think Frank had high trade value.

Posted by kam77:

Chew on this stat.

5-0 record with Frank Wiliams at starting PG.

Value.

trade Marbury?