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Finestrg
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6/30/2014  2:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2014  10:02 PM
Honestly what I'd like to see is this:

(1) Continue purging/trimming the fat off this roster. Looks like they're on the verge of cutting ties with Murry---keep going. Decline Tyler's option, trade or buy out Pablo and maybe even buy out Sammy Dalembert too (for around half pay I thought I read somewhere, right? Around $1.8mm?). I firmly believe we could do better than all of these guys, even at league minimum salaries.

(2) Make this James Harden deal with Houston for Melo. It's by far and away our best option (if it's even on the table -- what's the deal here? Is this more fact or just speculation/rumor mill?? I know Melo plans on visiting Houston so there's gotta be something to it, no?). It's so good a deal, I have trouble understanding why Houston would even contemplate such a move...When you consider that we plan to hit FA in a big way after next year---we should be back in contention fairly quick and I'd like to have James Harden in his mid-twenties around to be a part of that... No idea how they make this work though. Harden's set to make a little less than $15mm next year. They've got to come up with something close to 20-22mm....Too bad they ammnestied Luis Scola -- his $6.5mm contract would've worked perfectly here...Harden + Robert Covington, Terrence Jones (or Motiejunas) and cash? Or maybe we involve larger salaries on both sides --- Melo/Bargnani for Harden/Lin and cash (or one of their promising low-salary players)??

(3) I'd like to see more of an upgrade at the point too. Larkin's a good start but we need more. Calderon's older, lost a step and is bad defensively. Would prefer Calderon as the 3rd PG on my depth chart to be honest -- I'd like to see him in the Prigioni role, not as the lead guard (where he is probably better than Prigioni at this stage to be fair -- upgrade over Prigioni). I'd continue to look at guys like Mills and Darren Collison, although the guy that really intrigues me the most is Jerryd Bayless. I'd love to see what this kid could do with a clean slate and the keys to the bus -- I'm talking a starting lead guard role with over 30 mins per. He had that at Arizona as a freshman and was a stud. I know he hasn't done much in the NBA yet but his athleticism, confidence & talent level are all undeniable. This guy could offer a ton if given a real chance to run his own team. I'd take a chance here -- if it didn't work out, he's still a rotation player at a good price (assuming he'd come fairly cheap---maybe even cheaper than Mills or Collison) and we'd have Larkin and Calderon ready to fill in. If it did work out, Bayless becomes a star or close to it, backed up by a very skilled/very quick Shane Larkin (these 2 could be ultra dynamic together) with Calderon around to offer guidance, wisdom and upgraded play over Prigioni if called upon.

(4) My 2 tier 1 FA targets as of right now would be Cole Aldrich and Jerryd Bayless. If we could figure out a way to add both of these players to what we already have, it'd be a straight up coup. I read a few days ago that we may have a chance to open up the full MLE if we could adjust the payroll some more. Anyone know if this is really an option? Fact or fiction? If it's fact, getting Aldrich and Bayless is much more realistic. If not, you try anyway..

(5) Next, fill in with the best tier 2/league minimum talents around, wherever there might be holes/whatever position needs more depth -- backup C (Daniel Orton--how is he on Washington's SL roster and not ours? Marcus Cousin? Call up New Orleans and see if they'd be open to a small deal for either Alexis Ajinca or Jeff Withey??), backup PF (Richard Howell? Trevor Mbakwe?), more depth on the wing (Devin Ebanks? DeQuan Jones? Terrence Williams?), another shooter/even more PG depth (Seth Curry?), etc...Start thinking about quality roster depth in these terms and let's see some talent like this on the SL squad instead of the usual dreck we bring in.

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6/30/2014  2:46 PM
Berman said the Knicks aren't bringing back Aldrich or KMart.
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6/30/2014  2:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2014  2:59 PM
none of these are bad mate... but here is where fantasy and reality collide.

1) agree, but I think Pablo is a good backup. He plays "the rigt way" for what its worth
2) My preference is to sign Melo, but it I cant and Im looking for the best compensation than Harden is a great piece to get back
3) thats fair, but right now Calderon is better than Mills or Collison and by a lot. Mills looks nice as bench scorer. Being the floor general and starting PG is different. If one of those guys won the job thats different, but even if they explode thats no happening for another season or two. That being said Calderon is a very nice stopgap. Lets start looking for the next guy.
4) we have a glut of guards... hopefully we can turn some combo of them into a frontcourt upgrade.

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6/30/2014  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2014  3:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Berman said the Knicks aren't bringing back Aldrich or KMart.

I read that. Is that fact or Berman being Berman? I can't understand showing no interest in Aldrich at all to be honest, esp. after moving Chandler and esp. after how well he looked & the impact he had every single time Woody went to him.

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6/30/2014  4:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2014  4:30 PM
Anyone know how much we're currently over the cap/how much we need to get under to utilize the full MLE?
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6/30/2014  4:33 PM
Finestrg wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Berman said the Knicks aren't bringing back Aldrich or KMart.

I read that. Is that fact or Berman being Berman? I can't understand showing no interest in Aldrich at all to be honest, esp. after moving Chandler and esp. after how well he looked & the impact he had every single time Woody went to him.


I think the Knicks just aren't giving them qualifying offers.
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6/30/2014  10:30 PM
as always good stuff Finestrg. just some thoughts:

1. i agree. addition by subtraction. just get rid of these players and try to get as much available cap space as you can

2. i HATE harden. i dont think hes a "smart" player. his (flopping) crap works in the regular season but not in the playoffs when games are more physical. however i DO agree with the sentiment that you got to get something for melo (if he leaves). Id rather have Parsons from houston or Gibson from chicago

3. unlike you i dont mind calderon starting. I think hes a solid professional guard. but yes i agree hes awful defensively. Id love to take a chance on Bayless BUT i think hes more of a shooting guard trapped in a PG body (i dont think well be able to afford collison or mills).

4. Cole is garbage but i share youre sentiment that we need real big men (instead of paper ones like Bargnani). Thats why im leaning towards keeping tyler

5. this goes with #4. just get big defensive bodies

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/30/2014  10:45 PM
I thought the idea was to trade Harden for Melo and go after Lebron as well. It's looking like Lebron is all but signed-sealed and delivered back to Miami so why would Houston continue to entertain the Melo/Harden deal?
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1. Why so down on Dalembert at less than 4M/year? Really following all those star 5's in the D-League closely are you? He protects the rim, he will play in twice as many games as FluPersonalTysonChicken did. You're subtracting and then subtracting.

2. So we can go from reading daily three page long diatribes about Iso Melo/no defense to reading about BallHogden/no defense. Yeah, I love watching free throws, too. I really don't like Harden as THE PIECE to build around. It's not working out with DHow and Lin, why is it going to work out for us with the likes of Calderone and THJr and Lamar Odom?

3. Calderone is an upgrade from Prigs (I'm not even mentioning the other guy) because he can and will shoot from 3. Roll the dice with Larkin, and pick up some mid-level insurance. I'm also not putting it past Dr. Phil to pull some kind of Zenmagic and get us a Lowry/Teague-level PG. Hey, we got draft picks for a package that included Ray Felton.

4. Agreed, sign Cole. If for no other reason than we just need a doofy white guy to post about.

5. Interchangeable point with #1.

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