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joec32033
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6/26/2014  4:36 AM
Melo and the 54 to Chicago

Boozer, Dunleavy, the 16, the 19.

Now you have Larkin, Shumpert, the 34, the 16, the 19 to move up in this draft.

Next season you can double dip with Boozer as you can trade him at the deadline as a rental, same with Dunleavy. Both are FA's at the end of the year anyway. Makes it quick and easy for both teams.

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6/26/2014  8:43 AM
Bazooka!!!!
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6/26/2014  9:02 AM
I like the way both Boozer and Dunleavy play. And I think they would both be excellent in the triangle.

retooled, reyouthed and repositioned for 2015 & 2016 FA.

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6/26/2014  9:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  9:34 AM
To compliment Calderon, I would target a SG that has good abilities on
We must first understand that Calderon's strength is his ability to shoot the 3pter at a high efficient rate, high BB IQ, and have the ability to facilitate/pass
His weakness's include being quite slow/lack of quickness/along with his age,

1- a reason he is a poor defender especially on PG's (probably better vs most SG's and still needs some help)
2- even though his ability to penetrate is much better than Pablo and even Felton due to his size, it is one of the weakness's in his game, last season Monta Ellis complimented him because of his ability to penetrate/finish and even at times, Ellis, defended the PG position due to switches and he has great speed/quickness/athleticism for a PG/SG, though is not strong/BIG enough to defend most SG's

1- ability to penetrate/drive/finish with contact
2- ability to facilitate
3- ability to spread the floor
4- ability to defend at least 2 positions, possibility 3 at times


There are not many players that would fit all of the above, at most, they would have 3/4
Whether we get a PG/SG or SG PG, or a SG like a YOUNG Manu Ginobili, a reason why I like Russ Smith who's strength in potential/ceiling could be similar to Ginobili

Lance Stephenson
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With Pacer's they seem to be extra down on him after he ticked Lebron off, giving him The Heat and Lebron more reasons to WANT IT
Like JR Smiths career year as the 6th man, both their value's decreased much after some unnecessary play off antics

With the combination of JR Smith and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway JR
For Pacer's they still have Evan Turner (RFA with a qualifying offer of nearly 8.8m) , a developing Solomon Hill, also George Hill who has the ability to play some SG as well
The combination of JR Smith and other SG would allow the Pacer's to evaluate Evan Turner more along with Solomon Hill, while it both players would not require long term deals unlike what Lance Stephenson would be demanding since making not even 1m per year so far

Like JR Smith, Lance lossed much value but unlike JR, Lance did not hurt his knee and actually has the better all round game, but both disappeared when it was needed most
Giving a 3 year deal at about 7-8m, while Lance looked like he was easily a 12m player with many near triple doubles games

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6/26/2014  9:40 AM
joec32033 wrote:Melo and the 54 to Chicago

Boozer, Dunleavy, the 16, the 19.

Now you have Larkin, Shumpert, the 34, the 16, the 19 to move up in this draft.

Next season you can double dip with Boozer as you can trade him at the deadline as a rental, same with Dunleavy. Both are FA's at the end of the year anyway. Makes it quick and easy for both teams.

no thanks... I want a blue chip player back if I am trading Melo, not spare parts and mid range picks. James Harden, Westbrook. Maybe Deandre Jordan and parts... something I can start constructing a team with.
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6/26/2014  9:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  10:17 AM
I believe Phil Jackson is indeed looking to gain the financial flexibility to have the full 5m MLE this summer with or without Melo

Also he will have the ability to purchase a pick with what remains of of last seasons 3m, of about 1.7 to 1.8m, likely a mid 2nd rounder from a team like Philly/Cleveland who has multiple 2nd rounders/picks
After July 1st, we would have the 3m to use once again (which could be a 1st rounder), meaning we could BUY the draft rights to a player/players, and NOT the pick itself
Trading/purchasing for a pick, we DO NOT need to match salaries as picks itself has doesn't affect the cap regardless of his guaranteed contract as a 1st rounder
However, we do need to match it AFTER the draft, if we purchase/trade for the player drafted AFTER the draft itself, we do need to match the salaries, which we can do with any combinations from

1- Dalembert (3.87m, with 1.8m guaranteed even at the START off the season)

Dalembert is a player we can use because he is a decent C that is has been one of the better shot blockers throughout his career
Also, his guaranteed is NOT guaranteed even at the start of the season

2- Larkin

3- Iman

4- Tim Hardaway JR

5- Jeremy Tyler

6- Pablo Prigioni

7- Wayne Ellington

So technically, we can purchase/trade for AT LEAST 2 players/draft picks for players todays draft
In addition to the 2 picks acquired from Dallas picks 34 and 51

That is 4 draft picks, not including possible trades with CA and Iman Shumpert
For a "quick retool" I like the idea of rebuilding through this DRAFT as it is very deep/strong, while preserving most of our cap space for 2015 Kevin Love and/or players for VALUE as 2nd/3rd tier players and/or good role players, possibly 2016 for Durant/Noah, if possible I would like Nichlas Battum who is a FA as well in 2016
With the draft rights to our own 2015 draft pick (next year) we continue to move in the right direction, WITH OR WITHOUT CA who we cannot afford to keep if it is anything higher than 18m unless it is structured in a way where we can have cap space for 2015 and 2016, every OTHER year I DO NOT CARE what he makes, could be the MAX possible *for next year would like to be able to have the 5m MLE vs 3.2m MLE*

With CA, we can add more draft picks, that could likely be more impact players like Tyler Ennis/Elfrid Payton/Napier, Zach Lavine *if he drops or we trade up* /Jordan Clarkson/PJ Hairston drops Adreian Payne

There still seems to be value in Iman Shumpert, with possibly Tim Hardaway JR (if we can still sell high), and JR Smith as well *if we can show he regains his physical abilities prior to his knee injury and perform like he did and grow with Kidd that year, and come in to play on a contract year within a SYSTEM, his value could multiply by the deadline to a contender


Zach Lavine at SG/PG and Calderon at PG/SG could compliment each other, though Tyler Ennis could be the best PURE PG in the draft, and Elfrid Payton could be one of the better defensive PGs in the draft

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6/26/2014  10:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  10:17 AM
It looks like NY is under the cap now, as Carmelo is not there anymore. Their current commitment for 2014/2015 is just under $60M. If they release Dalembert that is another $4M. I think the cap is speculated to be $63M this year. If they could free up another $10M, realistically they could sign LBJ and Melo for about $16m each.

This is according to Hoopshype.com salaries page.

Crazy, I know.

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6/26/2014  2:30 PM
I'm thinking we may want to s&t melo to Houston for Lin AND harden.

But really. Melo will be back.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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6/26/2014  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  3:57 PM
Dalembert is cheap they might just pick up his option. Someone needs to play center
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6/26/2014  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2014  4:08 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It looks like NY is under the cap now, as Carmelo is not there anymore. Their current commitment for 2014/2015 is just under $60M. If they release Dalembert that is another $4M. I think the cap is speculated to be $63M this year. If they could free up another $10M, realistically they could sign LBJ and Melo for about $16m each.

This is according to Hoopshype.com salaries page.

Crazy, I know.

No, it doesn't work that way, unless we TRADE for Lebron in which Lebron and The Heat must agree to
Otherwise we lose our bird rights/cap hold that we have for CA that we must forfeit in order to SIGN Lebron
Also we cannot combine player exemptions, only use or lose within 1 year of the trade

So basically we can combine AB with other salaries or STAT at this point
They will NOT want Calderon's length of the deal by any means
If we continue to acquire asset's and Lebron forces himself out of the Heat or Melo and Lebron get swapped for each other, it likely isn't happening
Of course The Heat and Riley must agree with it as well

As for The Heat, unless Wade agree's to OPT out, I think Lebron is gone
The best case scenario for Miami and Wade is if Wade forgoes his 2year about 45m deal, then resigns for much less, at 50m for 5 years, basically slightly more and dividing his next 3 years at vet min to about 2m per year in order for The Heat and Lebron to continue to build that dynasty

As for Lebron and Bosh, Lebron DESERVES much more and Bosh deserves much more than Wade
Can they continue the collusion to add a 4th STAR or retool some other talents like Lowry and Gasol, with either Ariza/Deng?
Some vet min's include Mike Miller back and/or James Johnson, maybe Rashard Lewis and Birdman (who I think declined much since last season while Ray Allen continues to contemplate retirement or another season
If they are ALL willing to sacrifice for the better of the team, convince all to take a bit less, and have the full 5m MLE, it can happen

However, unless it is an under table or loyalty deal from Riley, the smart thing to do is to chase CA and let Wade walk as he screws himself
So that is the problem for Wade, if he is willing to sacrifice, and will Riley reward him or screw him for it....

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6/26/2014  4:52 PM
Lebron doesn't owe the Heat anything IMHO - he brought them to 4 championships and won 2. Sure it's not 5, 6, 7 or 8 but seriously he has accomplished all he needed to there.

Unless he really wants to be in a dynasty he doesn't need to go back, I believe there are good options where he can still win. He also deserves to get paid because he is a great player and brings it every night. Why should Wade make the same amount? I believe Lebron understands these are his prime earning years and he may choose to chase money or a better long term situation since the Heat are going through a re-tooling.

I also agree that the Heat may be better off with Melo than Wade so if Wade opts out he is rolling the dice. If they get Melo then I think Lebron sacrifices and re-signs. Without adding some serious firepower I think he just might leave.

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6/26/2014  5:01 PM
How is Wade and triangle?
We now have flexibility so why not just s&t...

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