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callmened
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6/25/2014  6:29 PM
Thoughts on Proposed:
Knicks receive Shane Larkin, Wayne Ellington, Jose Calderon and Sam Dalembert for Ray Felton and Tyson Chandler
- Shane Larkin ($1.5 Mil/team option after next yr meaning he can be cut) - 1st rd draft pick/small PG who didnt get much playing time last yr becuase he was hurt and on the bench behind Devin Harris and Jose Calderon. Ive always liked this kid despite his small stature
- Jose Calderon ($7mil for the next 3yrs) - horrible defender (yes worst than ray) which was why dallas played a lot of zone to hide him. Probably the most intelligent PG in the NBA. Great 3pt shooter
- Wayne Ellington ($2.5 mill) - best shooting form in the NBA but the ball never goes in. He is timmy hardaway 2.0. a clone and redundant. horrible defense
- Sam Dalembert ($4mill - team option meaning he could be cut after this trade happens) - injury prone backup center. used to do what tyson did in his prime
Overall the 4 players would cost $18mill (and you could subtract 4 mill if the cut big sam) and they would trade away 20 mill in ray and tyson. I would like this deal because it would get rid of ray. Im tired of tyson's act - i think hes old and injury prone anyways. I like the idea of getting a young PG to be molded by an older and SMARTER one. I wouldnt expect ellington and dalembert to stay on the team. So basically this is a trade to get 2 PGs and cut salary
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/25/2014  6:41 PM
Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

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6/25/2014  6:52 PM
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

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6/25/2014  6:59 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

Tyson is trash#2 part2

In each prime you take Sam on his best day & Tyson on his heyday
Dalembert defensively would eat Tyson up , more Categories. Both stink offensively
One went to finals n lost other went & won.

Never accuse Sam of being soft,
Tyson is soft playing a hard guy... or fugazzzy

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6/25/2014  7:03 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

Tyson was a bum to before he landed in Dallas.....he was coming off a horrible season in Charlotte with the Bobcats before he was picked up by Dallas. He rode those coattails in Dallas and it got him 14 million a year from the stupid ass Knicks.

So it's a matter of opportunity.

The truth is Samuel Dalembert puts up better stats than Tyson per 36 mins.....Sam actually has basic fundamental basketball skills, which Tyson absolutely does not.

State facts my friend not just bull****. Dalembert played well in the playoffs this year too. If he was given the minutes Tyson gets he would get significantly better stats. I'ts not about the numbers either because like I said Tyson has no fundamental basketball skills. Sam on the other hand does.

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6/25/2014  7:04 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

Tyson is trash#2 part2

In each prime you take Sam on his best day & Tyson on his heyday
Dalembert defensively would eat Tyson up , more Categories. Both stink offensively
One went to finals n lost other went & won.

Never accuse Sam of being soft,
Tyson is soft playing a hard guy... or fugazzzy

Sam would drop a fool to the ground and Tyson would let them sail to the basket, argue with the refs and trash his own teammates in the media. Fuck Tyson Chandler!

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6/25/2014  7:15 PM
EnySpree wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

Tyson is trash#2 part2

In each prime you take Sam on his best day & Tyson on his heyday
Dalembert defensively would eat Tyson up , more Categories. Both stink offensively
One went to finals n lost other went & won.

Never accuse Sam of being soft,
Tyson is soft playing a hard guy... or fugazzzy

Sam would drop a fool to the ground and Tyson would let them sail to the basket, argue with the refs and trash his own teammates in the media. Fuck Tyson Chandler!

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6/25/2014  7:25 PM
Tyson blows. His defense is just disgusting. I don't care if he averages a double double which he probably didn't even do last year. He gives up boatloads of points that outweigh any good he does.
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6/25/2014  7:30 PM
I thought Sam was on his way out of the league - he seems older than he is.

I suspect he is not part of the future plans here.

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6/25/2014  7:31 PM
Tyson is a bum as well....he was the only center on the usa Olympic team and he couldn't even start for them when it counted....so it's no secret he's a overpaid bum.....Dirk and Mark Cuban miss taking showers with him and he's a huge expiring deal that dumps Calderon off their payroll....the end.

Lets not forget we have years of watching Tyson suck for the Knicks. This myth about him being a warrior is bull**** because we've seen it ourselves. We're already better without him. Peace!

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6/25/2014  7:33 PM
My thoughts are that the Mavs are a cautionary tale of what happens to a team that falls in love with FAs. They gave away 1st round pick after first round pick to miss again and again. They also felt they couldn't pay Tyson the money s they broke up a championship team only to have him return.

Sad.

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6/25/2014  7:39 PM
I was originally glad to see Tyson in a Knick uniform. Had hoped it would make us respectable again on the defensive end.

How spoiled were we with Patrick?

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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6/25/2014  7:39 PM
EnySpree wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

Tyson is trash#2 part2

In each prime you take Sam on his best day & Tyson on his heyday
Dalembert defensively would eat Tyson up , more Categories. Both stink offensively
One went to finals n lost other went & won.

Never accuse Sam of being soft,
Tyson is soft playing a hard guy... or fugazzzy

Sam would drop a fool to the ground and Tyson would let them sail to the basket, argue with the refs and trash his own teammates in the media. Fuck Tyson Chandler!


Dalembert misses defensive assignment and rotations like a mother and his hands suck. 6 teams in six seasons says it all. He's a stopgap until we can draft a quality big in 2015.
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6/25/2014  7:41 PM
ToddTT wrote:I was originally glad to see Tyson in a Knick uniform. Had hoped it would make us respectable again on the defensive end.

How spoiled were we with Patrick?

We were like spoiled brats the way we treated Patrick. Tyson was not what his reputation said he was. Glad to see him gone and for so much value. We did good by moving on

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6/25/2014  7:43 PM
now im hearing that dalembert and larkin might be moving in a trade?
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/25/2014  7:43 PM
Who could we possibly get with these picks?

Second round is usually garbage

Should I be more excited? I know nothing about college hoops. Please fill me in.

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6/25/2014  7:43 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Dalembert in my humble opinion is better than Tyson....they would get the same stats if given the same minutes, except Dalembert is a better shot blocker by far. Also as far as intangibles, the dude can score in the post. Tysn can't score in the post at all. Same can actually receive the ball and make a decisive move in the paint, especially after a rebound....Sam also will drop fools to the ground if need be. That's something Tyson refused to do as a Knick. Sam can also knock down the jumpshot, whether wide open or on the move.

I love the deal and I hope Sam is apart of our future. I've always been a huge fan of his.

Samuel Dalembert is trash. There's a reason why he can't stick with a team anymore and why the Mavericks traded for Tyson Chandler.

Tyson is trash#2 part2

In each prime you take Sam on his best day & Tyson on his heyday
Dalembert defensively would eat Tyson up , more Categories. Both stink offensively
One went to finals n lost other went & won.

Never accuse Sam of being soft,
Tyson is soft playing a hard guy... or fugazzzy

Sam would drop a fool to the ground and Tyson would let them sail to the basket, argue with the refs and trash his own teammates in the media. Fuck Tyson Chandler!


Dalembert misses defensive assignment and rotations like a mother and his hands suck. 6 teams in six seasons says it all. He's a stopgap until we can draft a quality big in 2015.

Yea that's the thing these people overlook when just looking at his stats per 36mins. When I've seen him against the Knicks he rarely looks good. You are right he is a journeyman for a reason. Although he does block shots but we know that can be an empty stat sometimes. 2012 Tyson was definitely better. 2013 Tyson too for the most part. 2014 Tyson was overpaid garbage

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