After all the bee-ship trades that we talk about, here's one that could actually happen.

Knicks trade:
Kurt Thomas and Frank Williams

Pacers trade:
Al Harrington and Kenny Anderson

This trade gives the Knicks the post pressence they sorely need. He's a forward who could play PF or SF. He could start next to Tim, but also play next to Sweets. He's not quite the shotblocker they need, but there's still the mid-level for that. He's an offensive force, who will only get better with more shots and a great point like Marbury.

Why would Indiana do it? Frank Williams would be an upgrade over Jamal Tinsley in that he could penetrate, score more and he's a better defender. Kurt Thomas would be the perfect backup to Jermaine O'neal, he could also play some center and start if there were injury. They also need to trade Harrington. Even in this 61 win season, Al has been bitching about minutes and starting. If Indiana makes this trade, they get one starter and a quality backup. I think they would do it, unless the Bird/Isiah rivalry prevents it somehow. Otherwise, I think they would do it.

Why should the Knicks do it? They need a post pressence on offense. Al would provide a Larry Johnson-type pressence for the Knicks in the post. He's a solid shooter and athletic enough to play the three or the four. He's worked with Isiah and Mark A. before and they both like him a lot. He's also got the toughness and defensive game that the Knicks need. The only thing missing is shot blocking, but there's still the mid-level to address that, or even the second round of the draft (someone on the board mentioned David Harrison, I like that idea).

If Indiana doesn't bite, make the same offer to Memphis for Stromile Swift. But I think Indiana would do it. And Al Harrington will be a consistant 20 and 10 in this league with minutes. The thing we have to remember is that the Knicks need to get someone who hasn't 'popped' yet. It makes no sense to get a Dampier, who will likely be fat in a year or two. They need to get someone young, hungry and aggressive. Al Harrington fits the bill. So does Stromile. If we can get one of those two and then Stephen Jackson for the mid-level, we'd be set. Set, I tell you. And we'd still have Deke and Othella's expiring deals for the deadline!

If Williams is an upgrade over Tinsley, then why don't we just keep him? Trade Othella instead. Isiah won't give up on Frank that easily.

He gave up on Frank the minute we traded for Marbury. Anyway... I don't see FW being a significantly better player overall than Tinsley at this point--- tho he has much higher upside as a defender than Tinsley.

Hmmm... if we could get Al Harrington, I don't see any reason why we'd need Tim Thomas anymore.

Frank Williams would be an upgrade over Jamal Tinsley in that he could penetrate, score more and he's a better defender.

I don't think the league has as high an opinion of Frank Williams as we Knick fans do. To most of the league, he's just a young 4 PPG, 2 APG point guard with decent potential. If you took a poll of GMs and coaches around the league, I bet close to 100% would take Tinsley over Frank.

If Al is the next 20-10 guy, you can trade Marbury to get him. Im serrious, would you trade Marbs for Jermaine O'neal?

Im not saying this is what should happen, but if al is that good, then we will be in big competition for him.

This guy is still young, and worth a trading a lotto pick for. Indy then does not have to worry about paying Big Al, and gets a stud to develope and contribute. thats how the rich get richer.

If they love frank, then its a good trade.

Why do people thing F.W. has trade value? Have there been reports I've been missing that GMS have been asking about him?

That's my point exactly. He's a 4 PPG, 2 APG young player with some upside. That's not the description of a player with good trade value. It's too bad Isiah didn't do the FW and Othella for Miles trade. I'm sure he would now if he was given a second chance.

If you watched Miles in Portland, you could see that he's already about as good as Penny (at the age of 22) and WAY ahead of DerMarr. He gives the team a huge improvement in backup SF/SG, whereas Frank Williams is playing backup minutes behind of a superstar. If you're going to play Marbury 40 mpg (or even 37), you can get away with Moochie and Penny playing 8 mpg (or 11) at PG with little difference. The difference between having to use DerMarr versus Miles at backup SF/SG is huge, though. When TT went down versus the Nets, having Miles would have made a huge difference.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/23/2004 12:22:37]

Posted by Bonn1997:

If you watched Miles in Portland, you could see that he's already about as good as Penny (at the age of 22) and WAY ahead of DerMarr. He gives the team a huge improvement in backup SF/SG, whereas Frank Williams is playing backup minutes behind of a superstar. If you're going to play Marbury 40 mpg (or even 37), you can get away with Moochie and Penny playing 8 mpg (or 11) at PG with little difference. The difference between having to use DerMarr versus Miles at backup SF/SG is huge, though. When TT went down versus the Nets, having Miles would have made a huge difference.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/23/2004 12:22:37]

well I guess my main point was why would you trade a valueable chip for a position you already have covered? Why not keep Frank a little longer and see if you can get a power position or move him with other players (Deke, Kurt, Nazr, Harrington) to upgrade positions you really need improving. Nothing against Miles, but he has a long way to becoming a solid player and his contract is up in a year.

I agree but I would still like a PF/C but if we're gonna take a chance on a smaller player we might as well draft a SF...cos they are harder to come buy and you might steal one. One who will have a chance of spliting time with TT. No One is going to split time with Allan if he comes back ready. If Allan's not ready then just play Penny at SG for half the time.

TT is a max paid,

nope. He makes around 70% of the max

When all you have to give up is a useless PF (Othella) and a PG who's stuck on the bench for a 22 year old who's rapidly improving, you do it regardless of the position he plays. Since Miles plays SF and can play SG, I'd see no problem with TT playing 30 mpg and Miles still getting around 24 off the bench.

I meant getting Al Harrington as a power forward. He's 6'9" and has a great post game.

Also, to compare Darius Miles to Penny is silly. Darius Miles and Tim Thomas are the exact same player, except Tim can shoot and dribble better. Also, Tim is bigger. Tim is fine. After point, I would say the Knicks are most set at SF. Tim Thomas shouldn't be the first or second option on a championship team, but he's a fine third or fourth. They need to upgrade either Nazr or Kurt/Sweets to get a shotblocker who can clean up mistakes on defense. It'd be nice to have a player who could post up on offense. It'd be nice to have a backup swingman to cover for Allan.