Perhaps the obvious is he rebuilds over a few years and installs a culture of decision making that could accumulate into a very nice long term franchise that contends for years. A systematic approach as done in SAS and of late in OKC.

Or the "ZEN STARPHUCH".............a move or series of moves so big our heads explode trying to comprehend it.

What is it? Why would I say such a thing?

Because Phil Jackson didn't just come here for the money or to tutor Dolan. His chess game plan is not for us to see but could the events in front of us not be all it appears regarding Melo?

The Zen Starphuch could be a three year process that involves draft picks, low cost free agents and Euro's, as well as using expirings, or their subsequent cap space.

I am fascinated by the infusion of his presence and the cultural change that might happen. IT will take time.

1) There are truly any number of $60 mil jobs out there where you sit in a high chair, only travel when you feel like it, and essentially are a power consultant?
2) He suddenly realized he's been fhuhucking over his native franchise for all these decades?
3) A vision of Red Holtzman has been invading his daily meditations?

I mean, I trust Phil, happy he's here, but I would honestly have no idea where his impetus for taking on Dolan comes from.

It's funny we are the one team with no pick in this very attractive draft and the guy who we traded all th assets for has been planing a getaway for months. This does not happen to the Spurs

1- DEVELOP talents
2- build a winning culture
3- playing a TEAM concept on both ends of the floor
4- able to get players to SACRIFICE both on and off the court
5- also can be further developed with Poppavich developing and handpicking his pupil (possibly Duncan as a future head coach), selecting his staff from Head Coach/Assistant Coaches, Development Coaches, Scouts, Trainers, etc

Poppavich has developed Kawaii Leanard from the 4th to 6th best player on the team, to rise in just 2 years along with the constant chances from

Robinson to Duncan
Duncan to Manu
Duncan to Parker
Then back and forth from the BIG 3 with Manu fully embracing the 6th man role and coming back from injuries multiple times, along with Parkers up and downs despite his age
and back to all 3 with Leanard,
Now with Leanard being the future of the franchise

with players found developed, drafted along the years like Stephen Jackson, Scola, Danny Green, Gary Neal, Patty Mills, Splitter, Diaw, Bellineli, Bonner, Nando De Colo, many players to play GREAT in SYSTEMs and players that were NOT the top players in their positions/league with players right now like Corey Joseph, Aron Baynes, Jeff Ayres

Talking about consistency, with an evolving system, players, positions, and league
Their entire staff proven they can make something out of nothing and have the ability to keep and have that level of trust that comes with sacrifice, instead of trading their players that signed for less through out their careers

Poppavich takes that NO BS mentality and has full control of his players
Duncan still has the ability to develop (a old school BIG with a twist, with RB's, DEF, POST PRESENCE, 17 footer, passing, BLOCKS, LEADERSHIP), lead/guide, and attract ALL STAR's to come, along with his ability to
Duncan can help develop Tyler, along with future younger players like a Backnaski, and even help a player such as Aldric/Tyler and even Darko (for the vet min)

Poppavich moving from coach to President of Operations
Duncan from player to Head Coach
Possibly Buford/Presti or to work as a GM
Probably most importantly their knowledge, respect, and ability to find/develop talents on players and coaches

imagine a staff of

Tim Duncan
Jeff Van Gundy
Rasheed Wallace
Battier
Edoh
a PG that would be a good coach and help development maybe even Ron Harper or Fisher

along with some of their current and previous coaches wither as assistants, development coaches, previous players, and trainers/scouts that deserve more recognition
they are CONSISTENT, EFFICIENT, and EFFECTIVE, demanding respect from around the league with credibility whether from players, GM's, and

I can't read your stuff, but your saying we should have "Bought" Pop?

newyorknewyork wrote:He most likely took the Knicks job because of ego. The real test or questions come if we miss out on the guys we want in 2015 via cap space. Do we make blockbuster deals or do we just continue to draft, sign lesser guys as free agents, make small trades.

Ego? Phils Ego is huge! Thats a good thing! HE wants power, he wants to teach as well, and that ego needs to be fed success!!

What do we do if we don't hit the home run on 2015 free agent class? I dunno. Fact is a lot of it is not under our control.

Mickey Aronson don't want to go to Tax hell. That is one reason Miami was so thin on the bench. Because of salary structure Spurs starters are on discount deals so the bench can be lush with talent. More important that the system adds value.

Who stays and who goes? Does the system add value to some of our guys or take away from their strength? We even have to ask ourselves do we even want melo?

Dream on. Or move to SanTone and be happy.

fishmike wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ron Ron,

I can't read your stuff, but your saying we should have "Bought" Pop?

Has anyone thrown 10m at you?
What about 50m?

I understand Pop is different but his culture is a PROVEN winning culture despite not having the ELITES OF THE LEAGUE while consistently competing in their primes

is money all that is needed? There is more to life than money, a lot more, and the older you get the clearer that becomes. Pop gains nothing, nada from uprooting from whatever network he has in SA to coming to NY for what? A money grab? Thats not interesting for these guys. Phil has more than just money reasons for being here.

And I was offered 3x my annual salary to relocate to Asia for a couple years and didnt even have to think about the answer. NO

Fish, all I am saying is, it would not have hurt to try, The Spur's have obviously proven that they have a winning culture
Even if he says NO, maybe Duncan says yes, and we go from there to mimic our own vision, most importantly needing Dolan to stay out of basketball related matters
I could have told you what Phil Jackson has said and done with EVERYONE here, that is waste of 12m per year

There are many disciples out there of Pops and some on his bench that we could try to pry
Now, we can also try for GM's like Buford or Presti
I am saying Pop could be offered the same position like Phil Jackson, while NOT traveling and all the stress that comes with a Head Coach
While he already has the ingredients and know the recipe for success
Phil Jackson needs DOMINANT talents and we do not have any for his system to work with

RonRon wrote:

fishmike wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ron Ron,

I can't read your stuff, but your saying we should have "Bought" Pop?

Has anyone thrown 10m at you?
What about 50m?

I understand Pop is different but his culture is a PROVEN winning culture despite not having the ELITES OF THE LEAGUE while consistently competing in their primes

is money all that is needed? There is more to life than money, a lot more, and the older you get the clearer that becomes. Pop gains nothing, nada from uprooting from whatever network he has in SA to coming to NY for what? A money grab? Thats not interesting for these guys. Phil has more than just money reasons for being here.

And I was offered 3x my annual salary to relocate to Asia for a couple years and didnt even have to think about the answer. NO

Fish, all I am saying is, it would not have hurt to try, The Spur's have obviously proven that they have a winning culture
Even if he says NO, maybe Duncan says yes, and we go from there to mimic our own vision, most importantly needing Dolan to stay out of basketball related matters
I could have told you what Phil Jackson has said and done with EVERYONE here, that is waste of 12m per year

There are many disciples out there of Pops and some on his bench that we could try to pry
Now, we can also try for GM's like Buford or Presti
I am saying Pop could be offered the same position like Phil Jackson, while NOT traveling and all the stress that comes with a Head Coach
While he already has the ingredients and know the recipe for success
Phil Jackson needs DOMINANT talents and we do not have any for his system to work with

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

RonRon wrote:

fishmike wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ron Ron,

I can't read your stuff, but your saying we should have "Bought" Pop?

Has anyone thrown 10m at you?
What about 50m?

I understand Pop is different but his culture is a PROVEN winning culture despite not having the ELITES OF THE LEAGUE while consistently competing in their primes

is money all that is needed? There is more to life than money, a lot more, and the older you get the clearer that becomes. Pop gains nothing, nada from uprooting from whatever network he has in SA to coming to NY for what? A money grab? Thats not interesting for these guys. Phil has more than just money reasons for being here.

And I was offered 3x my annual salary to relocate to Asia for a couple years and didnt even have to think about the answer. NO

Fish, all I am saying is, it would not have hurt to try, The Spur's have obviously proven that they have a winning culture
Even if he says NO, maybe Duncan says yes, and we go from there to mimic our own vision, most importantly needing Dolan to stay out of basketball related matters
I could have told you what Phil Jackson has said and done with EVERYONE here, that is waste of 12m per year

There are many disciples out there of Pops and some on his bench that we could try to pry
Now, we can also try for GM's like Buford or Presti
I am saying Pop could be offered the same position like Phil Jackson, while NOT traveling and all the stress that comes with a Head Coach
While he already has the ingredients and know the recipe for success
Phil Jackson needs DOMINANT talents and we do not have any for his system to work with

isnt that why he's here? Either its find star(s) to add to the mix with Melo or if he's gone redo next year. I think MSG was pretty smart with the timing. Get something in here, get something started and have Phil driving the ship when we can essentially rebuild the whole roster in a year from now.

Phil Jackson needs DOMINANT talents and we do not have any for his system to work with

Ron, use your imagination. What came first, the chicken or the Egg?

Jordan's legacy was not formed until he won championships. Not before. Not as a high flying leading scorer getting beaten by the Pistons!

Kobe? Was a wild child and needed to be harnessed. His legacy of wining was galvanized by Phil.

so thinking PHil walks into winning situations is very naive.

He may not walk into Championship situations but he does walk into winning situations with dominant talents. Jordan and Shaq were dominant talents who got to ECFs and for Shaq the finals with Orl.
When Phil had poor teams he lost when he had great teams he won. That really goes for every coach.

However, this is not about Phil the coach this is about Phil the operation's manager. Nobody knows if he is good or not.

Re Pop: Pop came form the Front office down to coach. I do not see him leaving San Antonio for any amount of money.