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EnySpree
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6/14/2014  12:00 AM
All anyone seems to talk about is draft picks. Yeah I know Phil wants one this year....probably because it's one of the only ways we'll be able to get an upgrade in talent since all we have is the mini mid midlevel and vet minimum deals to use.

Anyway.....we might get a pick this year, we have ours next year and 2017 and beyond. So we are waiting for kids that are still in high school to save this team? We banking on guys that haven't been discovered yet?

Are we going to start scouting 10 year old to save this franchise in 2023?

Sure OKC did it....but we would have to be cellar dwelling teams to have a shot at that. We could be okc, but we could be the Milwaukee Bucks too.

Talking about draft picks is like getting a $500 CD and thinking you are going to be rich when it matures in 5 years.

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6/14/2014  12:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2014  12:23 AM
I think we have the cellar dealing thing down pat. Now all we need are the Draft picks
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6/14/2014  12:40 AM
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I just don't believe that Phil Jackson's heart is really in it. Only time will tell

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6/14/2014  12:49 AM
we were cellar dwellers for 10 years straight - we just never kept our pick, or won just enough games to prevent us from getting the talent we wanted needed (Steph Curry!)

Its too much to do, but go back, eliminate the desperation trades (Marbury, Curry, Ewing for Glenn Rice, McDyess, etc., just keep our picks - and we would have a stud franchise today.

I think its illegal to scout 10 year olds.

But, what I don't understand is why we don't outspend everyone as far as researching and tracking players is concerned. Teams like San Antonio spot talent, we simply let it go (Linn!)
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6/14/2014  2:55 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I just don't believe that Phil Jackson's heart is really in it. Only time will tell

lol...what?

really man?

i wonder if we need to relax a bit. we haven't even started the first season and the sky is already falling because of very little actual happenings.

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6/14/2014  7:00 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I just don't believe that Phil Jackson's heart is really in it. Only time will tell

Why do you feel this way?
StarksEwing1
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6/14/2014  9:00 AM
EnySpree wrote:All anyone seems to talk about is draft picks. Yeah I know Phil wants one this year....probably because it's one of the only ways we'll be able to get an upgrade in talent since all we have is the mini mid midlevel and vet minimum deals to use.

Anyway.....we might get a pick this year, we have ours next year and 2017 and beyond. So we are waiting for kids that are still in high school to save this team? We banking on guys that haven't been discovered yet?

Are we going to start scouting 10 year old to save this franchise in 2023?

Sure OKC did it....but we would have to be cellar dwelling teams to have a shot at that. We could be okc, but we could be the Milwaukee Bucks too.

Talking about draft picks is like getting a $500 CD and thinking you are going to be rich when it matures in 5 years.

Not sure why some have problem with valuing draft picks. Lets be completely honest since 2000 The Knicks have been using starphuch approach and it has actually made us worse. Im not saying we have to build through the draft BUT we need to stop throwing away picks for bloated contracts
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6/14/2014  9:04 AM
we were destined to suck so long as dolan remained involved with the team. he has willingly and gratefully ceded complete and utter control to phil jackson. he also admitted he did not know what he was doing during all that time. somebody dolan respected-- the manager of rock band the eagles-- was able to deliver a tailor made message to the sociopath owner of the knicks.

there is a direct if hitherto unmentioned connection between "dolan ceding all control and decision-making" on the one hand and "an organizational culture change" on the other.

that said, i would not blame anybody if they did not trust that dolan would remain uninvolved-- sociopaths are known to break their word and we saw what dolan did to walsh in the carmelo trade fiasco.... but until that time there is every reason to expect positive things if jackson and fisher are given the full term of their contract.

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6/14/2014  9:15 AM
No. Just the rest of Dolan's life.
IronWillGiroud
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6/14/2014  9:16 AM
i think we're destined to win 7 championships over the next 19 years
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6/14/2014  9:20 AM
I'm not so sure draft picks mean that much anymore. Duncan was a four year college player. Ginobli and Parker are international.

International is the answer.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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6/14/2014  9:22 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I just don't believe that Phil Jackson's heart is really in it. Only time will tell


I agree with u , I think its a money grab nothing more. If he could fix the Knicks though it would be more impressive than anything he did coaching
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6/14/2014  9:23 AM
babyKnicks wrote:I'm not so sure draft picks mean that much anymore. Duncan was a four year college player. Ginobli and Parker are international.

International is the answer.

The problem with international players is that they're far less likely to use perfromance enhancing drugs like domestic players do

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6/14/2014  9:26 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:All anyone seems to talk about is draft picks. Yeah I know Phil wants one this year....probably because it's one of the only ways we'll be able to get an upgrade in talent since all we have is the mini mid midlevel and vet minimum deals to use.

Anyway.....we might get a pick this year, we have ours next year and 2017 and beyond. So we are waiting for kids that are still in high school to save this team? We banking on guys that haven't been discovered yet?

Are we going to start scouting 10 year old to save this franchise in 2023?

Sure OKC did it....but we would have to be cellar dwelling teams to have a shot at that. We could be okc, but we could be the Milwaukee Bucks too.

Talking about draft picks is like getting a $500 CD and thinking you are going to be rich when it matures in 5 years.

Not sure why some have problem with valuing draft picks. Lets be completely honest since 2000 The Knicks have been using starphuch approach and it has actually made us worse. Im not saying we have to build through the draft BUT we need to stop throwing away picks for bloated contracts

Exactly look at all the players we threw away staphuching. Its disgusting im sick and tired of watching the same crap happen over and over. Were not going to win unless we get the superstar player in the draft. We have to bide are time stockpile picks and young talent , lose for a couple years , so when we get him we can surround him with the players he needs to succeed. Until we get that guy we need to keep cap flexibility and acquire draft picks and tradeable contracts

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6/14/2014  9:32 AM
babyKnicks wrote:I'm not so sure draft picks mean that much anymore. Duncan was a four year college player. Ginobli and Parker are international.

International is the answer.


The chances of us getting the true Superstar without drafting him are minuscule. Donnie did a nice job of controlling Dolan for a few years but his player moves were horrible. We had are chance we screwed it up. Had Donnie not drafted so poorly and he made the killer trade to Houston for cap space we didnt use , had he not had DOlan breathing down his neck to acquire superstars we could of waited for the right deals
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6/14/2014  9:32 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:All anyone seems to talk about is draft picks. Yeah I know Phil wants one this year....probably because it's one of the only ways we'll be able to get an upgrade in talent since all we have is the mini mid midlevel and vet minimum deals to use.

Anyway.....we might get a pick this year, we have ours next year and 2017 and beyond. So we are waiting for kids that are still in high school to save this team? We banking on guys that haven't been discovered yet?

Are we going to start scouting 10 year old to save this franchise in 2023?

Sure OKC did it....but we would have to be cellar dwelling teams to have a shot at that. We could be okc, but we could be the Milwaukee Bucks too.

Talking about draft picks is like getting a $500 CD and thinking you are going to be rich when it matures in 5 years.

Not sure why some have problem with valuing draft picks. Lets be completely honest since 2000 The Knicks have been using starphuch approach and it has actually made us worse. Im not saying we have to build through the draft BUT we need to stop throwing away picks for bloated contracts

Exactly look at all the players we threw away staphuching. Its disgusting im sick and tired of watching the same crap happen over and over. Were not going to win unless we get the superstar player in the draft. We have to bide are time stockpile picks and young talent , lose for a couple years , so when we get him we can surround him with the players he needs to succeed. Until we get that guy we need to keep cap flexibility and acquire draft picks and tradeable contracts

Im not saying we should tank. I think we will be good in 2015 when Phil attracts some free agents. i just want to stop trading our draft picks for crap.
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6/14/2014  9:58 AM
babyKnicks wrote:I'm not so sure draft picks mean that much anymore. Duncan was a four year college player. Ginobli and Parker are international.

International is the answer.


International players bomb out just as much as American players. The keys is not to get caught up in these draft trends to the detriment of common sense. Every 6'8" guys with j isn't Mcgrady, every 6'10" euro with a j isn't Dirk and every 6'3" small school gunner isn't Steph Curry.
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6/14/2014  10:02 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I just don't believe that Phil Jackson's heart is really in it. Only time will tell


I agree with u , I think its a money grab nothing more. If he could fix the Knicks though it would be more impressive than anything he did coaching

I think Phil wants to win. The dude's ego is massive and he wouldn't be here if wasn't in it to win it. But he is a 68-year-old with a bad hip. His assistants will be nearly as important as the coach.
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6/14/2014  10:11 AM
Nalod wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I just don't believe that Phil Jackson's heart is really in it. Only time will tell

Why do you feel this way?

Papabear Says

I feel this way because he as a GM have an attitude as a coach. Both are different. The remarks he made about Melo like he can stay or go no big deal. Now he wants to meet again with Melo. The money Phil took and he is telling Melo to take less. Practice what you preach. He has a sarcastic way about him that works real well as a coach but not as a GM or chief officer. He is underestimating Melo's talent and thinking it's all about him. At this point Melo can walk and we get nothing not even a draft pick. Phil Jackson should have approached the Melo thing a little different so at least when he walks he just might do a sign and trade so we could get something back. Now Melo can say kiss off. I think that's why Dolan will be at the meeting probably to soften Jackson's attitude.
Oh I know that the TKF and d7th of the world would be willing to give up a draft pick to get rid of Melo. LOL

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6/14/2014  10:15 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:i think we're destined to win 7 championships over the next 19 years

Papabear Says

Well I hope that the 7 is in the first 7 years because at my age I just don't know If I will be around. I hope I will.

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