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We can now see that putting a cap on spending and a penalty on those over the cap won't stop players teaming up. Remove the cap
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Papabear
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6/13/2014  7:26 PM
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Look players will always find a way to team up but I assure you that if Bosh was offered some heavy money and I mean heavy money he would not be in Miami. Money talks and BS walk. The NBA thought this was a way to keep the stars from jumping ship and not going to another team. Well it's not working. If Parker was offered 140 million dollars he would not be with the Spurs and the same for Duncan. The NBA have this silly law because teams like the Knicks can pay top dollar without getting hurt. Anyway we have too many teams in the NBA and it's more like show time. Maybe we should try and alternate like in the east they may have a 4 point shot and no dunking around the basket . In the west it can be the opposite. Hell I'm just throwing things out there.
Now in order for us to even things out we need to have a 100 million dollar cap. Players will go for the money first. If LeBron was offered 200 million dollars I doubt that he would be in Miami. Now I could be wrong but I know Bosh would think twice.

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6/13/2014  9:47 PM
The idea of having a cap is to promote parity.
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6/15/2014  7:12 AM
Vmart wrote:The idea of having a cap is to promote parity.

i'm not a fan of parity, not everyone can be a winner and you have losers every year anyway,

i'd like the nba to open the gates and let the roaring balls to roll, let the big dogs throw huge money around and build super teams that drop serious buckets!!!!!!!!!!

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6/15/2014  11:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2014  11:32 AM
I have always thought that the cap and the paygrades of the NBA were a farce. Of all professional sports, the NBA has the least parity, which is evident by the select group of franchises that have won a title. Over the past 30 years only the Lakers, Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, Heat, Mavericks and Rockets have won a title. We need to deregulate that market (never thought those words would come out of my mouth in any context) and have players be paid their appropriate market value.
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6/15/2014  12:35 PM
I'm generally not a fan of salary caps, or at least, hard caps. Ie: A team should be able to go over the cap and simply pay a penalty but not be restricted from making more moves. I always thought a solution could be that the luxury tax garnered from the rich/big market teams or teams with billionaire owners like Cuban who DGAF and want to spend could be distributed back to teams that stay below the cap with the exception that that money had to be spent on players and not simply socked away by the owners.
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6/15/2014  1:22 PM
cap is there to protect the owners from themselves.
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6/15/2014  1:32 PM
Salary caps are actually good. The NBA should remove the max contract deals, though.
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6/15/2014  1:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2014  6:52 AM
NardDogNation wrote:I have always thought that the cap and the paygrades of the NBA were a farce. Of all professional sports, the NBA has the least parity, which is evident by the select group of franchises that have won a title. Over the past 30 years only the Lakers, Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, Heat, Mavericks and Rockets have won a title. We need to deregulate that market (never thought those words would come out of my mouth in any context) and have players be paid their appropriate market value.

Wow, this post says it all - I have no opinion on the cap - because it isn't likely to change soon - but 7 teams in 30 years?

I think it says more about basketball in general than anything else. Take away the cap and in 30 years maybe 4 or 5 teams will be the champs.

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
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6/15/2014  2:11 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I have always thought that the cap and the paygrades of the NBA were a farce. Of all professional sports, the NBA has the least parity, which is evident by the select group of franchises that have won a title. Over the past 30 years only the Lakers, Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, Heat, Mavericks and Rockets have won a title. We need to deregulate that market (never thought those words would come out of my mouth in any context) and have players be paid their appropriate market value.

the nba is the most bloated and diluted of talent of all pro sports. expansion has been a disaster, and though raising the age minimum is an excellent idea, it is not enough to offset the problem. that's the core issue and will remain so. if you want parity you have to begin with trimming the league down to closer to 24 teams. just because that is not going to happen does not mean removing a salary cap is the answer. all that would do is make the glamorous destinations with the biggest money base the only place for players to go. in that case the league should be shrunk to 8 teams. a salary cap basically exposes poorly-run franchises and exposes overpaid players, which is a good thing. that is what is happening with the knicks.

if it was another team we were talking about then this thread would be laughed at, if it isn't being laughed at anyway. just proves how irrational and poorly-conceived it is.

oh and does this mean that the author expects that the heat are going to win the title this year?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/15/2014  2:39 PM
I say remove salary cap, and allow another 30 teams instantly built... then we'll see how important salary cap is... :)
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6/15/2014  2:59 PM
I was bashing the owners during the lockout for this very reason. They keep making these CBA's in an effort to control the players and try to force talent to be spread among the teams and each and every time they make a change they make things worse and the players just keep finding a way to go where they want anyway. Way back they capped the top players money and created the MLE which was a huge failure as owners paid bad players way too much money. Now this CBA they tried to further limit teams and still players can bunch up if they choose.

It's better if they allow a team to pay their star what they want and what the teams finances suggest they can afford. This artificial limit only makes moving happen more. Teams can't add the talent to keep their lead players so the players figure "why stay?" when I can move to a team with good talent even if I take less. They should allow teams to be able to clear players from the cap and still pay them like an amnesty but every year have this option. More teams would be able to make deals if the CBA didn't have all these crazy rules. When they limited the length of contracts that basically made it so that players would eventually be in complete control of where they go. With no more KG contracts and strict salary cap rules it's impossible for teams to hold on to players if they can't make the team better.

This isn't the NFL. The talent pool is much smaller. Just being athletic isn't enough in BB. You have to have high level skills in order to make a difference and very few players are that gifted. There are always going to be a lot of bad teams in the NBA unless they can increase the talent pool and train up more young players around the world in search of unique talent. That takes time and commitment, but for now they have really screwed themselves with the current CBA.
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6/15/2014  4:45 PM
Hector wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I have always thought that the cap and the paygrades of the NBA were a farce. Of all professional sports, the NBA has the least parity, which is evident by the select group of franchises that have won a title. Over the past 30 years only the Lakers, Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, Heat, Mavericks and Rockets have won a title. We need to deregulate that market (never thought those words would come out of my mouth in any context) and have players be paid their appropriate market value.

Wow, this post says it all - I have no opinion on the cap - because it isn't likely to change soon - but 6 teams in 30 years?

I think it says more about basketball in general than anything else. Take away the cap and in 30 years maybe 4 or 5 teams will be the champs.

I don't think money is or has ever been a factor in competitiveness. At the end of the day, this discussion is about transcendent stars and who has them. Each of the 6 teams I mentioned had one or two players that fit that bill, which is why they were able to make themselves elite. If you don't have them, then you'll never be in that running, no matter how much you spend. The only way the NBA could ensure parity is if they ban superstars from the league and I suspect that they won't be doing that anytime soon.

The real reason why the NBA has a salary cap is to maximize their profits. Without a salary cap, a LeBron James would be making in excess of $60 million per year. Instead, he's making just a third of that while his owner gets to rake in billions off of merchandise that bares James' name and off of ticket sales. The system is simply corrupt.
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