2015 is a lost year.

You think the celtics don't give everything they have every night despite lack of talent?

Why can't the Knicks to the same and then add pieces like the celtics are trying to do?

Or we rather be the Nyets in no mans land?

gunsnewing wrote:Also you don't tank. You expect Shumpert and THJ to give it everything they have

2015 is a lost year.

You think the celtics don't give everything they have every night despite lack of talent?

Why can't the Knicks to the same and then add pieces like the celtics are trying to do?

Or we rather be the Nyets in no mans land?

yes, you play your young players,if they blow up good enough to get you into the playoffs, well you have some valuable assets most likely. if not, you get a top pick.. but the key is to play hard.. Tanking is not something you should try to do.. it should be organic. if you are not gooe enough to qualify for a playoff spot then a lottery pick is your prize..

Even then, you still may be a lottery team, but in the process develop some of the younger players.. that is a win-win situation.

gunsnewing wrote:What if we trade Melo for a borderline Allstar and picks? I should've been more clear. Disregard Tank

Make the playoffs with Melo and pieces with limited resources or get younger, less injury prone and more team oriented?

It doesnt really matter. Reality is we wait for the Melo situation to play out and the plans will form from there.

1) defensive effort
2) nba-level conditioning

everything else is like putting lipstick on a pig so knick fans would do well to not get distracted by personnel moves given how strapped the team will be.

gunsnewing wrote:That 54 win team exemplifies everything wrong with the Knicks organization previous line of thinking. Prior to Phil coming aboard

54 wins to 37

We are closer to the 54 win team than the 37, assuming Melo stays. If he doesnt its uncharted. As teamball said.. Melo gives you a nice piece to build with (and not around, so TFK can put the pipebomb down). After that we can start figuring things out.

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Also you don't tank. You expect Shumpert and THJ to give it everything they have

2015 is a lost year.

You think the celtics don't give everything they have every night despite lack of talent?

Why can't the Knicks to the same and then add pieces like the celtics are trying to do?

Or we rather be the Nyets in no mans land?

yes, you play your young players,if they blow up good enough to get you into the playoffs, well you have some valuable assets most likely. if not, you get a top pick.. but the key is to play hard.. Tanking is not something you should try to do.. it should be organic. if you are not gooe enough to qualify for a playoff spot then a lottery pick is your prize..

Even then, you still may be a lottery team, but in the process develop some of the younger players.. that is a win-win situation.

^^ This

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That 54 win team exemplifies everything wrong with the Knicks organization previous line of thinking. Prior to Phil coming aboard

54 wins to 37

I dont get your point... to me the 54 win was the year we did it right
1) added and got contributions from cheap and saavy vets in Kidd, Kurt, Sheed and Brewer
2) added a guy who could play but didnt have NBA experience (Prigs, and he played great)
3) added low cost unproven guys who fought their way into the rotation (Novak, Copeland)
4) improve from within (JR has a career year)

We are closer to the 54 win team than the 37, assuming Melo stays. If he doesnt its uncharted. As teamball said.. Melo gives you a nice piece to build with (and not around, so TFK can put the pipebomb down). After that we can start figuring things out.

NO we are not! The landscape of the east is quickly changing fish.. what drastic move will the knicks make to take them close to 54 wins..

You still have Indy and miami, and we have 5 teams in the east with multiple first round picks in this draft and they all have cap space... The east probably won't be as weak as it was last year.. The magic, sixers, have a ton of picks, and young stud talent on their teams... I don't see how you can even form your fingers to type what you did...

fish, seriously, you have to stop trying to scotch tape the leaky roof... tear that old, leaky roof off, and put up a new one...

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:That 54 win team exemplifies everything wrong with the Knicks organization previous line of thinking. Prior to Phil coming aboard

54 wins to 37

I dont get your point... to me the 54 win was the year we did it right
1) added and got contributions from cheap and saavy vets in Kidd, Kurt, Sheed and Brewer
2) added a guy who could play but didnt have NBA experience (Prigs, and he played great)
3) added low cost unproven guys who fought their way into the rotation (Novak, Copeland)
4) improve from within (JR has a career year)

We are closer to the 54 win team than the 37, assuming Melo stays. If he doesnt its uncharted. As teamball said.. Melo gives you a nice piece to build with (and not around, so TFK can put the pipebomb down). After that we can start figuring things out.

We are definitely closer to that 54 win team no doubt. The east still doesn't scare anyone. We need to find those cheap vets and develop from within and we could have a decent season, while preparing for summer 2015. Guys will be motivated to perform with the new leadership and for some, pending contracts. We will have a chance to salvage a decent season and have great momentum going into a very important retooling phase.