When was the last time a scoring PG guided his team to a title. He reminds me of marbury when he was in minny and then with the Nets.

Between westbrooks and kyrie, im not sure who's going to get it first or if ever, but it's such a waist of talent, just like marbury(without the attitude).

More than likely it's going to take a coach and a system(this goes for melo too) to turn these type of players mind set around. I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

As talented as he is, he can be even greater if he just focused more on DEF and creating for the team, especially when he had BOTH Durant and Harden as better OFF players compared to him

If Westbrook could just sacrifice his numbers/shot attempts, doing the simple plays, letting go of his ego, he would have a much better career and elevate his game with consistency
Simple is better for Westbrook, however his EGO along with the poor coaching of Scott
Brooks with the lack of play calling

Westbrook can easily be a candidate of DPOY for the next decade if he wanted it and teamed up with the right talents like Ariza, a younger Marion or Battum, possibly even Iman if he recovers to his rookie year play, with the length, versatility, shooting abilities to spread the floor with Durant/Ibaka with the growth of Steven Adams though I believe Kelly Olyncks would have been a greater fit for the team with his all around skills, ability to shoot the ball, put the ball in the floor as a C, passing ability, post up skills, and passing game

Both Ariza and Kelly Olynk would be featured as the 4th/5th options that can play off Durant and Westbrook, even Ibaka

Add that with the development of Adams, Reggie Jackson, Lamb, and Perry Jones, all on the bench, they can be the toughest team in the tough Western Conference

I think they made a mistake by trading Harden and if OKC doesnt win a ring by the time Durant is a UFA, he could be frusrated and join a new team

Especially with Spurs getting older with possible retirements especially if they win this years Championship, only with Clippers, Rockets, maybe Blazers and Mavs to challenge he conference (depending on what they do in the near future)

So yes, I would love Westbrook but not if it leaves us with a comparable situation that we put ourselves in with the trade of CA

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A whole lot of talent and energy, but will never win a ring until he's a role player or changes his mind set, he's melo at a different position

When was the last time a scoring PG guided his team to a title. He reminds me of marbury when he was in minny and then with the Nets.

Between westbrooks and kyrie, im not sure who's going to get it first or if ever, but it's such a waist of talent, just like marbury(without the attitude).

More than likely it's going to take a coach and a system(this goes for melo too) to turn these type of players mind set around. I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

WESTBROOK, is that that energetic good intention kid who tends to make mistakes trying to do the right thing.. He is nothing like carmelo, even at a different position, as he plays with a sense of integrity, energy and athletic ability that is hard to find. He does need to adjust how he plays at a PG or maybe you can move him to SG..

Marbury played with a similar talent and explosiveness earlier but not with the passion and grittyness that westbrook plays with.

I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

I tend to agree with that, but isiah Thomas was a scoring PG, he was able to put it all together tho, in a good system, with a cast of players that fit well...

I thought about Thomas, but he avg double digit assist for 4 to 5 seasons of his career and had career avg of 9ast, and 19pts which are elite stats for a pg.

a pg that Avgs more that 20 points and less than 9 ast is not good. That also goes for D rose, another spectacular player that needs to make major adjustments..

I remember Billups having a really tough time in the begining of his career where he just couldn't figure it out, when to score and when to shoot. he praised all the veterans around him, especially KG

BigRedDog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:First you have to understand what a point guard does.... They are speed to make guess better.

Is this english??? First we have to understand what the heck you are saying

probably a smart phone error

BigRedDog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:First you have to understand what a point guard does.... They are speed to make guess better.

Is this english??? First we have to understand what the heck you are saying

I just noticed. Sure type betrayed me.

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A whole lot of talent and energy, but will never win a ring until he's a role player or changes his mind set, he's melo at a different position

When was the last time a scoring PG guided his team to a title. He reminds me of marbury when he was in minny and then with the Nets.

Between westbrooks and kyrie, im not sure who's going to get it first or if ever, but it's such a waist of talent, just like marbury(without the attitude).

More than likely it's going to take a coach and a system(this goes for melo too) to turn these type of players mind set around. I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

WESTBROOK, is that that energetic good intention kid who tends to make mistakes trying to do the right thing.. He is nothing like carmelo, even at a different position, as he plays with a sense of integrity, energy and athletic ability that is hard to find. He does need to adjust how he plays at a PG or maybe you can move him to SG..

Marbury played with a similar talent and explosiveness earlier but not with the passion and grittyness that westbrook plays with.

I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

I tend to agree with that, but isiah Thomas was a scoring PG, he was able to put it all together tho, in a good system, with a cast of players that fit well...

I thought about Thomas, but he avg double digit assist for 4 to 5 seasons of his career and had career avg of 9ast, and 19pts which are elite stats for a pg.

a pg that Avgs more that 20 points and less than 9 ast is not good. That also goes for D rose, another spectacular player that needs to make major adjustments..

I remember Billups having a really tough time in the begining of his career where he just couldn't figure it out, when to score and when to shoot. he praised all the veterans around him, especially KG

Isiah was GREAT, but he still was a scoring PG, as I said he was rare, not many guys combine those qualities... I think chris paul has the ability to do that, but that is what makes those guys special..

westbrook averages for his career 7 assist per game, more than the assist I am concerned with how he runs the offense.. if he can get better with that, I would not be as concerned with the number of assist he has...

To some degree, it's not all on him or any of these scoring pgs, it's also has a lot to do with the coaches.

I use to think phil had the luxury of having great players on his roster, which always gave him the upper hand, but those players (jordan, kobe, shaq)had no direction or system that could elvate there game from scoring to thinking then scoring..

He actual made me realize that talent is as good as nothing without direction

Yeah, I want him. Then we'll figure the rest of it out.

We bringing this up becuase one of the greatest core teams of all times is up 2-0 and dismantleing them with their starting center out?

OKC is not the same team that was down 0-2 and then blitzed the SPurs 4 in a row a few years ago. Westbrook was the PG that took them to the Finals!

Who we got left? CP3? Kyrie? Lillard? 2 time MVP never been to finals Nash?

We got George HIll, Mario Chalmers, Tony Parker and Westbrook.

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A whole lot of talent and energy, but will never win a ring until he's a role player or changes his mind set, he's melo at a different position

When was the last time a scoring PG guided his team to a title. He reminds me of marbury when he was in minny and then with the Nets.

Between westbrooks and kyrie, im not sure who's going to get it first or if ever, but it's such a waist of talent, just like marbury(without the attitude).

More than likely it's going to take a coach and a system(this goes for melo too) to turn these type of players mind set around. I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

WESTBROOK, is that that energetic good intention kid who tends to make mistakes trying to do the right thing.. He is nothing like carmelo, even at a different position, as he plays with a sense of integrity, energy and athletic ability that is hard to find. He does need to adjust how he plays at a PG or maybe you can move him to SG..

Marbury played with a similar talent and explosiveness earlier but not with the passion and grittyness that westbrook plays with.

I personally don't like scoring pg's, they never win when it matters the most.

I tend to agree with that, but isiah Thomas was a scoring PG, he was able to put it all together tho, in a good system, with a cast of players that fit well...

I thought about Thomas, but he avg double digit assist for 4 to 5 seasons of his career and had career avg of 9ast, and 19pts which are elite stats for a pg.

a pg that Avgs more that 20 points and less than 9 ast is not good. That also goes for D rose, another spectacular player that needs to make major adjustments..

I remember Billups having a really tough time in the begining of his career where he just couldn't figure it out, when to score and when to shoot. he praised all the veterans around him, especially KG

Isiah was GREAT, but he still was a scoring PG, as I said he was rare, not many guys combine those qualities... I think chris paul has the ability to do that, but that is what makes those guys special..

westbrook averages for his career 7 assist per game, more than the assist I am concerned with how he runs the offense.. if he can get better with that, I would not be as concerned with the number of assist he has...

I just saw a true point guard, Chris Paul, get demolished by terrible Russell. I'll take Westbrook.

He needs better coaching.