Dallas does this more because they want the salary cap relief for 2015.

The Knicks get a very efficient and triangle friendly point guard in Calderón. Plus an adequate replacement for Tyson in Dalembert.

Moonangie wrote:Triangle requires a center with great passing instincts and hoops IQ, don't it? Still, not a bad deal considering the chump Tyson has become.

Bill Cartwright, bill wennington, will purdue, Scott williams....

Dalembert makes 1/4th of what Tyson makes.

nuff said

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

I hear you on the salary, but more and more Im thinking we dont go the cap space route, rather we trade for longer more expensive guys to upgrade the roster. I dont think Phil risks swinging and missing in FA, and thats a real possibility. If we let everyone come off the books after getting Melo to take a bit less to add another max and a half guy, and we cant get a star in here the Phil Jackson era just became more of the same.

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

Exactly. It wasn't a bad trade idea. I spent some time thinking about it. Calderone is an adequate player but not good enough to justify taking on another $20 mil in salary IMO. With cap space in a year, we should be able to get something better for $7 mil per than Calderone.

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

marginal losses resulted in 54 wins to 37 wins. Do you really think this is a 37 win team? Calderon doesnt have to be Nash... run some plays, hit the 3s and get into the paint to create a bit... all in Calderon's wheelhouse, all simple things our PGs utterly failed to do last year.

I hear you on the salary, but more and more Im thinking we dont go the cap space route, rather we trade for longer more expensive guys to upgrade the roster. I dont think Phil risks swinging and missing in FA, and thats a real possibility. If we let everyone come off the books after getting Melo to take a bit less to add another max and a half guy, and we cant get a star in here the Phil Jackson era just became more of the same.

The last four seasons we've finished with 42, 44(equivalent), 54, and 37 wins. I believe that the 54 win season is an aberration and we shouldn't be basing decisions using that year as a baseline; we've been a bad/mediocre team for three out of the last four years with one random good year. And are we making this trade before or after Melo resigns? Because if it's just a ploy to get Melo to resign then it's an even worse trade.

VCoug wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

marginal losses resulted in 54 wins to 37 wins. Do you really think this is a 37 win team? Calderon doesnt have to be Nash... run some plays, hit the 3s and get into the paint to create a bit... all in Calderon's wheelhouse, all simple things our PGs utterly failed to do last year.

I hear you on the salary, but more and more Im thinking we dont go the cap space route, rather we trade for longer more expensive guys to upgrade the roster. I dont think Phil risks swinging and missing in FA, and thats a real possibility. If we let everyone come off the books after getting Melo to take a bit less to add another max and a half guy, and we cant get a star in here the Phil Jackson era just became more of the same.

The last four seasons we've finished with 42, 44(equivalent), 54, and 37 wins. I believe that the 54 win season is an aberration and we shouldn't be basing decisions using that year as a baseline; we've been a bad/mediocre team for three out of the last four years with one random good year. And are we making this trade before or after Melo resigns? Because if it's just a ploy to get Melo to resign then it's an even worse trade.

We dont need a star PG to get back to 45-50 wins. Just a quality player. Calderon would certainly fit all the needs. He's very consistent. Maybe not the highest ceiling but we need to upgrade first and get back to quality play.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

Exactly. It wasn't a bad trade idea. I spent some time thinking about it. Calderone is an adequate player but not good enough to justify taking on another $20 mil in salary IMO. With cap space in a year, we should be able to get something better for $7 mil per than Calderone.

Like who? Have another PG signed in the last few years you can use as a context?

It doesn't have to be a PG. You could have a worse PG but at a better deal (slightly worse but vet min, for example) and use the $7 mil elsewhere. I think of Calderone as a slightly below average player. Some of the stats indicate he gives up more than he scores. I think he's worth closer to 4 to 5 mil now but that will go down as he ages. I'm not going to go through the entire league looking at salaries to list better deals, though. I've only posted once or twice in the past week because work is keeping me busy. If you or anyone has a list of PGs with their salaries, I'll give my thoughts.

Got it.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

VCoug wrote:No, there's no reason to be taking on salary past next season unless we're getting something else back as well, such as picks or good players on rookie contracts. Marginally improving a 37-win team doesn't accomplish anything for us.

Exactly. It wasn't a bad trade idea. I spent some time thinking about it. Calderone is an adequate player but not good enough to justify taking on another $20 mil in salary IMO. With cap space in a year, we should be able to get something better for $7 mil per than Calderone.

Like who? Have another PG signed in the last few years you can use as a context?

It doesn't have to be a PG. You could have a worse PG but at a better deal (slightly worse but vet min, for example) and use the $7 mil elsewhere. I think of Calderone as a slightly below average player. Some of the stats indicate he gives up more than he scores. I think he's worth closer to 4 to 5 mil now but that will go down as he ages. I'm not going to go through the entire league looking at salaries to list better deals, though. I've only posted once or twice in the past week because work is keeping me busy. If you or anyone has a list of PGs with their salaries, I'll give my thoughts.

so this post falls under the category of "I dont like your idea, but have nothing better to offer"

Got it.