Cant be to old (see nets this yr, and knicks last yr) and can't be too young.

I don't want to build through the draft, and I don't want a roster full of 33+ Yr olds.

If we can swap tyson and felton, and keep the rest of the roster intact, were contenders.

knicks1248 wrote:Hire a new coach with a young team, that coach won't be around to finish that contract either. The wizards lost 2 games to indi they should have won, instead they jacked up ridiculous shost in the last minute of each lost (except the blow out) in which they lead.

Cant be to old (see nets this yr, and knicks last yr) and can't be too young.

I don't want to build through the draft, and I don't want a roster full of 33+ Yr olds.

If we can swap tyson and felton, and keep the rest of the roster intact, were contenders.

I think Miami has the oldest roster in the NBA. SO you can be too old. SPurs are pretty old too.

jrodmc wrote:Swap Tyson for what? Vince Carter?

And all your getting for Felton is a human interest story from jail.

So you get rid of them, and your starting lineup is:
Unknown PG/Shump
JR Smith
Melo Maybe
Stat
Cole Aldrich/Some Retread?

Bargs
THJr
Lamar Odom
JTyler
Pablo
Toure
Kmart?

Contenders? It's taken PJax months to miss out on hiring a coach with no experience.
I'm a homer, and In Phil I Trust, but contenders?

I cant even count( somewhere in the 15-to 20 range) the amount of games we lost that were decided in the closing minutes because of a number of reason, mainly the PG always going to melo.

How can a roster be this bad if your losing that many games that were decided by 2 buckets or less

NO.	NAME	               POS	AGE	HT	WT	COLLEGE	        2013-2014 SALARY
5	Tim Hardaway Jr.	SG	22	6-6	205	Michigan	$1,196,760
4	Jeremy Tyler	        PF	22	6-10	250	 	        $556,584
21	Iman Shumpert	        SG	23	6-5	220	Georgia Tech	$1,703,760
23	Toure' Murry	        SG	24	6-5	195	Wichita State	$490,180
45	Cole Aldrich	         C	25	6-11	245	Kansas	        $884,293
77	Andrea Bargnani	         C	28	7-0	250	 	        $11,862,500
26	Shannon Brown	        PG	28	6-4	210	Michigan State	$188,438
8	J.R. Smith	        SG	28	6-6	220	 	        $5,565,000
7	Carmelo Anthony	        SF	29	6-8	235	Syracuse	$21,388,953
2	Raymond Felton	        PG	29	6-1	205	North Carolina	$3,637,073
6	Tyson Chandler	         C	31	7-1	240	 	        $14,100,538
1	Amar'e Stoudemire	PF	31	6-11	245	 	        $21,679,893
0	Lamar Odom	        PF	34	6-10	230	Rhode Island	 
3	Kenyon Martin	        PF	36	6-9	225	Cincinnati	$884,293
9	Pablo Prigioni	        PG	37	6-3	185	 	        $1,591,350

The thing is that so much is made about the roster but this is the NBA. You can make a HUGE improvement in a team without totally turning over a roster. 1 or 2 key players could make a huge difference. We saw how Kidd in the mix made a huge difference. The Knicks have some nice young players despite what is often said about the team. These players need to be coached up. I was VERY happy with what I saw from Cole late in the year when he got a chance. I'd put Cole in a big man camp to work on his offense and get in better shape. THJ was good if inconsistent but he's got a future and Tyler has some talent too. Shump is still a defensive stud and if coached better he could be much more consistent. Even Bargnani could be useful as a Center. We could trade Tyson and not be effected adversely IMO. Don't know who would take Felton, but maybe trading a problem for a problem would benefit the team.

This would be a playoff team with a key ball mover in the mix like we had with Kidd and with a Motion and Ball Movement system. I think PJax should go after Shaun Livingston. Still in his prime and a ball mover. OF course the big moves come the following summer.

H1AND1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Contenders? I would disagree. Nobody is taking Felton and the likelihood Chandler can bring back a piece that would somehow vault us to elite status is highly unlikely.

If the Knicks can send Chandler to the Suns or get involved In a three way del that nets the Knicks Bledsoe it would push the Knicks in the right direction. Another deal would be if the Knicks could send Chandler to Bucks for Henson and Mayo it would be an excellent deal.

Is Bledsoe available?!? The Suns would be nuts letting him go. Im still upset we didnt swamp Shump for him when the Clips offered way back when.

They have Dragic so he might be available never hurts to check.

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Swap Tyson for what? Vince Carter?

And all your getting for Felton is a human interest story from jail.

So you get rid of them, and your starting lineup is:
Unknown PG/Shump
JR Smith
Melo Maybe
Stat
Cole Aldrich/Some Retread?

Bargs
THJr
Lamar Odom
JTyler
Pablo
Toure
Kmart?

Contenders? It's taken PJax months to miss out on hiring a coach with no experience.
I'm a homer, and In Phil I Trust, but contenders?

I cant even count( somewhere in the 15-to 20 range) the amount of games we lost that were decided in the closing minutes because of a number of reason, mainly the PG always going to melo.

How can a roster be this bad if your losing that many games that were decided by 2 buckets or less

How did we start off so terribly? Because of the PG going to IsoMelo? Seriously? How many games were we down by double digits in the second half of what seemed like every single game? How many games were there when all that was offered up for a loss to someone like the Bucks or the Pistons was "we gotta figure it out"?

Your OP is about getting rid of Tyson and Felton and being contenders. Barring some miracle of an opposing GM going insane and gifting us, I don't see it with what's left of the roster.

We played like a young boy team, the same way the wizards kept lofting up jump shots when indi was gaing on them, is the same thing we did especially in the first 2 months and pretty much the entire season.

we finally put it into gear (16-5) in the last month of the season, which ironcally was the most brutal part of the season with a bunch or road games against the top half of the league.

Like i said it was a number of reason, primarily starting with the pg who made no adjustments when he saw fit

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Swap Tyson for what? Vince Carter?

And all your getting for Felton is a human interest story from jail.

So you get rid of them, and your starting lineup is:
Unknown PG/Shump
JR Smith
Melo Maybe
Stat
Cole Aldrich/Some Retread?

Bargs
THJr
Lamar Odom
JTyler
Pablo
Toure
Kmart?

Contenders? It's taken PJax months to miss out on hiring a coach with no experience.
I'm a homer, and In Phil I Trust, but contenders?

I cant even count( somewhere in the 15-to 20 range) the amount of games we lost that were decided in the closing minutes because of a number of reason, mainly the PG always going to melo.

How can a roster be this bad if your losing that many games that were decided by 2 buckets or less

How did we start off so terribly? Because of the PG going to IsoMelo? Seriously? How many games were we down by double digits in the second half of what seemed like every single game? How many games were there when all that was offered up for a loss to someone like the Bucks or the Pistons was "we gotta figure it out"?

Your OP is about getting rid of Tyson and Felton and being contenders. Barring some miracle of an opposing GM going insane and gifting us, I don't see it with what's left of the roster.

We played like a young boy team, the same way the wizards kept lofting up jump shots when indi was gaing on them, is the same thing we did especially in the first 2 months and pretty much the entire season.

we finally put it into gear (16-5) in the last month of the season, which ironcally was the most brutal part of the season with a bunch or road games against the top half of the league.

Like i said it was a number of reason, primarily starting with the pg who made no adjustments when he saw fit

So who do we get to play PG and lead us to a chip? Just asking.

I was big on finding some way to get rondo here, but im a firm believer in "if your pg can't shoot 3's with regularity, he can't play for me"

At this point, you have to trade for an above avg pg, it's the most important part of a roster, more important than the coach or any other position on the roster.

The knicks are one of the only teams in the league with out and above avg pg (you can even tell by the way they run through us on a nightly basis)

There wasn't many offers for lowery because majority of the teams in the league are set at the position, there a handfull of solid pg's coming into the league this yr, and this is a time where you may have to sacrifice to get that pg, even if it means giving up THJ