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That time of the year...Here is my plan to rebuild my Knicks
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NYKBocker
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5/6/2014  11:29 AM
We have these threads every year about each posters plan if they were the GM. My plan would be to use the system that Big Chief Triangle wants to use. That would mean hiring Kerr and getting the parts similar to the Bulls and Lakers from his coaching days.

What do we need?
Centers that can pass and shoot from the perimeter. They have to be tall. Under 7 feet tall need not apply. They are space eaters and can set a great pick.
Rugged PFs that can rebound and defend.
Versatile SFs that can run, dribble and shoot. They also have to be able to defend.
Guards that are interchangeable. They should be able to play both PG and SG in the triangle and should be very good shooters.

What assets do we have? Melo, Tyson, Shumpert, THJr, Jeremy Tyler.

These moves would be if the basketball gods have smiled on us again...

1st move..
Trade Melo to Houston. I will not get into why Houston would do this move since it has been discussed everywhere else. Melo, Jeremy Tyler for Asik, Lin, Parsons, Montijuenas, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round pick(42nd), future 1st Round Pick.

2nd move...
Trade Tyson to OKC. OKC Needs a running mate for Ibaka as Perkins is shot. Tyson for Perkins and 2014 1st Round pick(21st)

I want JR and Fatton moved no matter what. I will use our other assets to move Fatton if I have to.

3rd move...
Trade Fatton and Shumpert to Chicago. They would need to Sign and Trade Hinrich. Fatton, Shumpert for Hinrich, Greg Smith. Chicago will get good value in Shumpert. We are basically giving Shump away to get rid of Fatton and we get a Guard that can play in the triangle.

4th move...
Trade JR Smith to Atlanta. Atlanta needs an athletic SG to run with Teague. JR for Korver.

Then I would resign Cole Aldrich for the vet min.

In the draft, I would select the following...

21st - Adreian Payne - 6'10" PF - Long shooter and rebounder
25th - Glenn Robinson III - 6'6" SF - Compared to Trevor Ariza
42nd - CJ Fair - 6'7" SF - Hopefully he falls this far


C-Bargnani
PF-Asik
SF-Parsons
SG-THJr
PG-Lin

Bench - Montijuenas, Greg Smith, Perkins, Hinrich, Korver, Aldrich, Pablo, Murry, Payne, GR3, Fair.

I like it. We got the muscle and height and athletic perimeter players.

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5/6/2014  1:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  1:19 PM
Why would you trade Felton when the law might take care of that for the Knicks. Keep Shumpert. If Felton makes it out of his hearing and court case than maybe a trade maybe looked at.
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5/6/2014  1:35 PM
Vmart wrote:Why would you trade Felton when the law might take care of that for the Knicks. Keep Shumpert. If Felton makes it out of his hearing and court case than maybe a trade maybe looked at.

Forgot about that. Good point.

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5/6/2014  1:48 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
Vmart wrote:Why would you trade Felton when the law might take care of that for the Knicks. Keep Shumpert. If Felton makes it out of his hearing and court case than maybe a trade maybe looked at.

Forgot about that. Good point.

Out of that whole write up you want to talk about why are you trading Felton?

The off the court issues make him untradable anyway.

I want to see guys comments on the other issues.

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5/6/2014  1:59 PM
An NBA team with 10 non black dudes..That should work...
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5/6/2014  2:01 PM
Nykbocker brings up what we already know, but it's what we should be toying with as fans because this is our future right now.

We have 3 scenarios that can happen. Keep Melo and stitch up the roster around him and install the triangle. Trade him to Houston, which works wonders for us by getting back 3 superb basketball players in Lin, Asik and Parson. Or trade him to Chicago for Boozer and fillers.

Some reporter brought Dallas up as a Longshot. They actually have money to spend. If they can get Melo to take less they could seriously build something good over there with Dirk and company. Tyson might even be able to hitch a ride there.

I for one don't care what happens. I'm thoroughly engaged in all scenarios. The prospect of change brings so much joy for me it's crazy. Whatever happens i think it will be great for us as long as Dolan doesn't interfere with basketball decisions

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5/6/2014  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  2:04 PM
My first priority would be to free up cap space and aquire picks and some role players. Over half of the league is under the cap next season and the cap is projected to go up approx 5M to around (63M). The reason I purge this roster is because we don't have enough 2 way players or role players and we aren't outscoring many teams with their uptempo free wheeling guards. This also gives our new staff a chance to start to shape the roster to run the triangle with an eye towards FA in 2015. This is my plan regardless if Melo stays or goes.

Teams under the cap:
Atlanta 48M
Boston 46.5M
Charlotte 44M
Cleveland 32M
Dallas 26.5M
Detroit 41M
LAL 35M
Milwaukee 43M
N.O. 48.5M
Orlando 35.5M
Plilly 27M
Phoenix 36M
Portland 57M
San Antonio 53M
Toronto 41M
Utah 16M
Washington 45.5

I would put a priority on moving Stat, Chandler, Bargnani and JR to teams that can absord salary, send back a few role players and picks. Then I would take a look at the FA market.

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5/6/2014  2:18 PM
Would ratther keep Shumpert. Iman looked like he was starting to get it by the end of the season. Would like to see how he would do with a new coach and a defined system. With all the switching we did last couple of seasons and Shump's knee problems, his defense didnt shine. Offensively he was mixing it up at the end of the season, showed much more confidence taking it to the rim. Better to give him one more season IMO, or at least part of the season.
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5/6/2014  2:29 PM
You do not trade for Korver on a rebuilding team. Also, the lack of passing ability in the front court would be a problem just like the lack of defense would be a problem.

The Center should be a rim protector and rebounder first followed by a good passer.

Supposedly, Shump has value and you don't just give him away to get rid of 3M. If he is not good enough to be a back up let him sit the bench and trade him the next year when his contract will soon expire.

Trading Jr after he has found his 3pt shot is probably not a good idea either. The better Idea would be to wait until he has played under the system and get his value back. Also, I am sure ATL FO is familiar with players and their love for the ATL night life, NY is bad but JR in ATL full time could be worse.

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5/6/2014  2:38 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:

Trading Jr after he has found his 3pt shot is probably not a good idea either. The better Idea would be to wait until he has played under the system and get his value back. Also, I am sure ATL FO is familiar with players and their love for the ATL night life, NY is bad but JR in ATL full time could be worse.

JR's 3pt shooting got better but he also took enough 3s for two teams. If we could fill a need at another position, I would trade him before the next incident, and there is always a next incident.

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5/6/2014  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  2:41 PM
holfresh wrote:An NBA team with 10 non black dudes..That should work...

What? If they can play they can play. You'd rather load the roster up with thugs like Javaris Crittenton to meet this imaginary quota over guys that can actually play?

You're everything wrong with society.

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5/6/2014  3:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  4:48 PM
LegendaryKnicks wrote:
holfresh wrote:An NBA team with 10 non black dudes..That should work...

What? If they can play they can play. You'd rather load the roster up with thugs like Javaris Crittenton to meet this imaginary quota over guys that can actually play?

You're everything wrong with society.

you can see holfresh was joking.....adding that he would rather load up a roster of thugs to meet an imaginary quota is what really is wrong with society....are you saying only black people are thugs? they don't have white, Asian, martian thugs where you are from?

add something to the conversation and stop trolling.

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5/6/2014  3:18 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:

Trading Jr after he has found his 3pt shot is probably not a good idea either. The better Idea would be to wait until he has played under the system and get his value back. Also, I am sure ATL FO is familiar with players and their love for the ATL night life, NY is bad but JR in ATL full time could be worse.

JR's 3pt shooting got better but he also took enough 3s for two teams. If we could fill a need at another position, I would trade him before the next incident, and there is always a next incident.

That's actually not a bad thing when you shoot close to 40%

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5/6/2014  3:29 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:

Trading Jr after he has found his 3pt shot is probably not a good idea either. The better Idea would be to wait until he has played under the system and get his value back. Also, I am sure ATL FO is familiar with players and their love for the ATL night life, NY is bad but JR in ATL full time could be worse.

JR's 3pt shooting got better but he also took enough 3s for two teams. If we could fill a need at another position, I would trade him before the next incident, and there is always a next incident.

That's actually not a bad thing when you shoot close to 40%

Was that over the entire season? Those last couple of games he wasnt even looking for his teammates, looked like he was going for a record. Stlll would rather trade him before something else happens. Feels like Charlie Brown and the football.

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5/6/2014  3:36 PM
LegendaryKnicks wrote:
holfresh wrote:An NBA team with 10 non black dudes..That should work...

What? If they can play they can play. You'd rather load the roster up with thugs like Javaris Crittenton to meet this imaginary quota over guys that can actually play?

You're everything wrong with society.

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5/6/2014  8:39 PM
Rookie wrote:My first priority would be to free up cap space and aquire picks and some role players. Over half of the league is under the cap next season and the cap is projected to go up approx 5M to around (63M). The reason I purge this roster is because we don't have enough 2 way players or role players and we aren't outscoring many teams with their uptempo free wheeling guards. This also gives our new staff a chance to start to shape the roster to run the triangle with an eye towards FA in 2015. This is my plan regardless if Melo stays or goes.

Teams under the cap:
Atlanta 48M
Boston 46.5M
Charlotte 44M
Cleveland 32M
Dallas 26.5M
Detroit 41M
LAL 35M
Milwaukee 43M
N.O. 48.5M
Orlando 35.5M
Plilly 27M
Phoenix 36M
Portland 57M
San Antonio 53M
Toronto 41M
Utah 16M
Washington 45.5

I would put a priority on moving Stat, Chandler, Bargnani and JR to teams that can absord salary, send back a few role players and picks. Then I would take a look at the FA market.

Why would teams take our contracts? If the free agent market were so spectacular, wouldn't they want to be players for those guys instead of our trash?

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5/6/2014  8:48 PM
NYKBocker wrote:We have these threads every year about each posters plan if they were the GM. My plan would be to use the system that Big Chief Triangle wants to use. That would mean hiring Kerr and getting the parts similar to the Bulls and Lakers from his coaching days.

What do we need?
Centers that can pass and shoot from the perimeter. They have to be tall. Under 7 feet tall need not apply. They are space eaters and can set a great pick.
Rugged PFs that can rebound and defend.
Versatile SFs that can run, dribble and shoot. They also have to be able to defend.
Guards that are interchangeable. They should be able to play both PG and SG in the triangle and should be very good shooters.

What assets do we have? Melo, Tyson, Shumpert, THJr, Jeremy Tyler.

These moves would be if the basketball gods have smiled on us again...

1st move..
Trade Melo to Houston. I will not get into why Houston would do this move since it has been discussed everywhere else. Melo, Jeremy Tyler for Asik, Lin, Parsons, Montijuenas, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round pick(42nd), future 1st Round Pick.

2nd move...
Trade Tyson to OKC. OKC Needs a running mate for Ibaka as Perkins is shot. Tyson for Perkins and 2014 1st Round pick(21st)

I want JR and Fatton moved no matter what. I will use our other assets to move Fatton if I have to.

3rd move...
Trade Fatton and Shumpert to Chicago. They would need to Sign and Trade Hinrich. Fatton, Shumpert for Hinrich, Greg Smith. Chicago will get good value in Shumpert. We are basically giving Shump away to get rid of Fatton and we get a Guard that can play in the triangle.

4th move...
Trade JR Smith to Atlanta. Atlanta needs an athletic SG to run with Teague. JR for Korver.

Then I would resign Cole Aldrich for the vet min.

In the draft, I would select the following...

21st - Adreian Payne - 6'10" PF - Long shooter and rebounder
25th - Glenn Robinson III - 6'6" SF - Compared to Trevor Ariza
42nd - CJ Fair - 6'7" SF - Hopefully he falls this far


C-Bargnani
PF-Asik
SF-Parsons
SG-THJr
PG-Lin

Bench - Montijuenas, Greg Smith, Perkins, Hinrich, Korver, Aldrich, Pablo, Murry, Payne, GR3, Fair.

I like it. We got the muscle and height and athletic perimeter players.

With all due respect, I'd hate this roster. They would essentially be the Pistons....but worse. We'd have extremely poor floor spacing, subpar ball movement and shotty defense. I don't see that roster motivating anyone to come to New York and I seriously question whether we'd have any value on it. Chandler Parsons is the only guy that jumps out at me and he is largely hype (in my opinion). Once he finally gets his payday, I suspect that his value will drop like a rock as far as the market is concerned. Outside of him, we'd be filled with cast-offs and rethreads that would be better served coming off the bench than in being starters.

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5/6/2014  9:42 PM
Dang. I totally forgot about Amare.
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5/6/2014  9:50 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Rookie wrote:My first priority would be to free up cap space and aquire picks and some role players. Over half of the league is under the cap next season and the cap is projected to go up approx 5M to around (63M). The reason I purge this roster is because we don't have enough 2 way players or role players and we aren't outscoring many teams with their uptempo free wheeling guards. This also gives our new staff a chance to start to shape the roster to run the triangle with an eye towards FA in 2015. This is my plan regardless if Melo stays or goes.

Teams under the cap:
Atlanta 48M
Boston 46.5M
Charlotte 44M
Cleveland 32M
Dallas 26.5M
Detroit 41M
LAL 35M
Milwaukee 43M
N.O. 48.5M
Orlando 35.5M
Plilly 27M
Phoenix 36M
Portland 57M
San Antonio 53M
Toronto 41M
Utah 16M
Washington 45.5

I would put a priority on moving Stat, Chandler, Bargnani and JR to teams that can absord salary, send back a few role players and picks. Then I would take a look at the FA market.

Why would teams take our contracts? If the free agent market were so spectacular, wouldn't they want to be players for those guys instead of our trash?

just a few off the top of my head

1) there will be 17 teams competing for available FA's.
2) our trash might be a good fit on another team and add to their depth. Our players aren't trash, they just don't really work together on the same team.
3) they are expiring contracts and good future trade assets. Also low risk for a playoff team looking for the x factor.
4) teams under the cap don't have to match $$ making any deal a lot more simple.
5) Teams won't have to give up much of anything to acquire them, unlike some of the one sided trade scenarios you read on fan forums that never happen.

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5/6/2014  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2014  10:24 PM
Rookie wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Rookie wrote:My first priority would be to free up cap space and aquire picks and some role players. Over half of the league is under the cap next season and the cap is projected to go up approx 5M to around (63M). The reason I purge this roster is because we don't have enough 2 way players or role players and we aren't outscoring many teams with their uptempo free wheeling guards. This also gives our new staff a chance to start to shape the roster to run the triangle with an eye towards FA in 2015. This is my plan regardless if Melo stays or goes.

Teams under the cap:
Atlanta 48M
Boston 46.5M
Charlotte 44M
Cleveland 32M
Dallas 26.5M
Detroit 41M
LAL 35M
Milwaukee 43M
N.O. 48.5M
Orlando 35.5M
Plilly 27M
Phoenix 36M
Portland 57M
San Antonio 53M
Toronto 41M
Utah 16M
Washington 45.5

I would put a priority on moving Stat, Chandler, Bargnani and JR to teams that can absord salary, send back a few role players and picks. Then I would take a look at the FA market.

Why would teams take our contracts? If the free agent market were so spectacular, wouldn't they want to be players for those guys instead of our trash?

just a few off the top of my head

1) there will be 17 teams competing for available FA's.
2) our trash might be a good fit on another team and add to their depth. Our players aren't trash, they just don't really work together on the same team.
3) they are expiring contracts and good future trade assets. Also low risk for a playoff team looking for the x factor.
4) teams under the cap don't have to match $$ making any deal a lot more simple.
5) Teams won't have to give up much of anything to acquire them, unlike some of the one sided trade scenarios you read on fan forums that never happen.

Sure, those teams would have to give those players longer-termed deals than the players we'd be trading but isn't that the point? Why limit a player you like, who can help your team, to a one year deal? Even if a prospective free agent was demanding a multi-year deal, the lifetime of the contract will probably be cheaper or, at least, comparable to what an Amare or Bargnani is making. So why not go for the free agent player you want long-term, who will also be cheaper in the short and long-term than one of our big ticket guys?

That time of the year...Here is my plan to rebuild my Knicks

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