dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:dk7th wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:in san antonio they look for high character players who play defense. i wonder if that the right formula for success.can't wait for phil jackson's "culture change" edict to take effect.
Is Tony Parker a high character guy, who tried and seemingly successfully banged his teammate's wife??...If u smile and speak softly, I guess u are high character??...Is Steven Jackson a high character guy??..Robert Horry, a high character guy???..All Spurs..Wasn't the GM arrested for DWI??..Didn't Layden have a high character team??
are you afraid that jr smith and carmelo won't make the cut? neither defend and both lack character. those are facts, just like your "facts."
actually those are opinions.
and holfresh's facts are actually facts and not opinions okay got it
Well he asked you questions which you didn't answer and then you asked him a question then stated your opinions.
face it he holfresh doesn't want the low-character personnel on the knicks given the heave-ho. that's why he tries to distract by making a stupid comparison to the most successful franchise the league has known. the whole notion of "culture change" frightens him because he is drawn to and admires the wrong people. i heard someone allude to the fact that holfresh defends isiah thomas.
I think that his point was "what constitutes high character?"
Its culture that starts at the top. Not players.
Why is it that low character guys can succeed in Pop's system? Its because positive culture makes players exude high character traits on the court and vise versa.
Did you think that Melo (who you despise and carelessly brand as "low character") exhibited low character traits in the Olympics? IMHO, he has been a high character guy as a knick when the culture was very negative.
Was Larry Johnson who had 84 kids a high character guy? Kobe (Denver story)? Wade? JORDAN? Wilt and his 20g's?
you don't gut a roster and bring in carmelo anthony and then expect there to be a context awaiting that you are alluding to. come on you are not thinking this through.
I already agreed that they gave up too much. But he didn't make the damn trade.
You did not address any of my other points.
You are thinking this through? You are being blinded by hate and perhaps getting confused with your baby brother posters spaghetti talk.
Your stance here does not coincide with any of your other logical posts/stances.
Step back and think and stop with the childish tag team +1's.
I have no problem with your anti melo stance, it would just be nice if it was balanced and a bit more logical.
Or, you can just say "its illogical" but thats just how I feel. That is cool too (and we all have done this or felt this way).
and i say he participated in the trade, catalyzed it, then sealed it when he had a las vegas private session with james dolan, that fantastic basketball mind.
so guess what? lets agree to disagree, and you can think of me as illogical or irrational if you must. i will have to live with that.
We can agree to disagree on that.
And again, we arrive at the conclusion that your only reason for hating him is that he "forced" the trade. That's fine if you'd like to believe that and hate him for it (if that is your feeling).
Then it makes sense that:
Amare - Pass
Tyson - Pass
If you are looking at these years in a vacuum.
Without those moves (Amare, Tyson) and just the Melo move, you don't believe that a winning team and culture could have been built here? With someone else as the PG/Leader as well as other efficient pieces? But that would put Donnie Walsh on the hook and not be a Melo Blamable Item.
His price tag is (unfortunately) not just about basketball. He is the 6th best selling jersey on a horrible team. The dude is just a cash cow and that is another reason why teams are ready to offer him max money even though he is not worth it.
as i have said before i don't believe you can look at these situations in a vacuum and yet you are now asking me to.
you may have hated the stat acquisition but i understood the "reasoning" behind it. it also was easier to stomach that he only cost money and not real assets.
but lets look at it this way: if carmelo anthony were available the same summer of lebron as stoudemire was, i would not have had a problem with acquiring melo as a free agent for the same reason that i did not have much of a problem with acquiring stat as a free agent. i think it would have created the same problems we had with stat here, and probably worse because melo no-likee SSOL.
but lets recall WHY melo was unavailable, so we can come full circle, shall we? he took that extra year because he wanted to get paid that extra year.
So you would have paid Melo the max as a FA? I thought you don't like acquiring flawed players as (max (I assume)) FA's? The summer of Lebron does not excuse the utmost stupidity.
Let me ask you this? I have not seen you comment on the Tyson move and the possible amnesty waste.
And ... I agree (as I have always) that Melo was not the right player for MDA. I blame Walsh (and Dolan) for that. Or maybe they figured that MDA was expendable and they would not make or reject a move based on an offensive system.
With all the assets that we gave away in the trade, we could have had CP3 here playing with Melo if we played our cards right and we phucked it up.
Please check Melo's WS48 as a Knick and tell me he did not perform here. Melo has improved and played very well as a knick, nobody can deny that.
He has under performed as a knick in the playoffs, 2 out of his 3 years here. I blame him for that, and even though his supporting cast was brutal and our "other stars" failed to show up at all (lets not give them passes please), I still blame him for the forced shots as I always have.
I have been balanced on him, you know that. Most of the non extremist agenda driven posters on the UK have as well.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
