I think it either means they don't bring in good players, or they real good players they have don't turn into stars. It is new to me too though.

Starphucked is trading draft picks for players past their prime whom have contracts other teams want to get rid of. Starphucked is also trading any potential asset for a brand name player in hope of winning NOW. Starphucked gets fans all excited and it raised tv ratings and puts seats in the garden.

Starphuching does not win championships, it can get you to the finals. 1993 team, won first two, then lost 4 straight to the Bulls. Team was excellent, but Starphucking gets you the wrong player to execute the one critical moment that makes history: Trading Mark Jax for past prime Doc Rivers and Limp knee Charles Smith. So maybe it takes one more year, but if we had Mark Jx, and a real PF perhaps the next year we could have finished it for good.

Star Phucking gives you the great 6th man Starks as the starter and can't finish the deal in 1994. 1996 starphucked pits Ewing Vs. Nelson and no rebuilding becase of Ewings ego and threat to leave. hence the Vangundy era (suck up to ewings ego, dolan fear of losing him) which prolonged a team in need of over hauling. 1999 finals in short season a fluke. Team funamentally small.....Camby at center, LJ is power forward, and Spree is small forward. No prime time Point guard for years. Cheeks-Rivers-Harper all cost alot to get, all past prime. When you really need one, no more draft picks to deal, and no assets to move. YOu get Ward and childs. Marbury calling out those twos as never winning a championship was a high profile NYKer calling out the Starphuched knicks as pretenders. Marbury of all people smelled the Starphucking and spoke his mind.

Van Gundy even bolted realizing he had no hope.

This goes on and on. McAdoo, Hayword, Webster, all failed Star Phuckers fulfilling the ability to fill seats, but not deliver the ulitmate.

Thats not to say some things have worked, nor take away from the success. But those all could have been higher with a little patience.

Those teams all could have been more legit and longer term success. Historically teams like Boston, Lakers, and the last 10 years the Pacers have shown ability to stay on top. The spurs are also models of smaller markets able to effectively build around a great player. They were all willing to take some risk and cultivate talent.

I don't trust this ownership that treat the team as a "product". I don't trust that Isiah was hired to create a buzz over substance. not with this history. I don't trust that Marbury was not bought in to "starphuch" the fans into buying more tickets and tuning into cablevision (which is what happened). I don't trust them to surround him with the right players. Its a big mans league. They did not surround Ewing properly, they did not rebuild, the Starphucking ideal is what panicked into Eisley, Shandon and fat spoon. Blame Laydog all you want, but he was just the figure head to execute. The whole cluster Phuch of Ewing-Rice thing was a symptom of a bad buisess model and would have happend anyway. Hate Layden? Blame the ownership who put him there.

So excuse me for being suspicious and not buy into all this great Isiah hope.

And that ain't hating my friends, thats tough love demanding substance to these moves and patience to our young players. I don't want Brand if he might be damaged goods and his best years behind him. I don't want sheed if he is just behaving to get a new deal. I don't want webber if he is going to be on and off injured.

Give me guys like Kurt Thomas whom came cheap and turned into a good player. I hope TT is that kind of player whom can come into his own. Lets hope Nazr and Demarr can also grow. But we need to give them a chance, not trade trade trade with "famous" names. Is Stro Swift that kind of player? Give me upside, not downside!

If Isiah can bring a formatble fundamentally sound team I am all for it. But please don't hand me hype anymore about pie in the sky magic deals cuz Isiah in town. This ownership is gutless chicken shoyt in search of ratings only. If Isiah can cut that with Mills I am all for it. A little Starphucking is ok, but 27 years of this is all I can take.

A word to Dolan: The Nets are moving into town and if you panic, we can all see it, and your starphuching will be your undoing. And if the genuine article can be found in Brooklyn, Me and Spike are packing up and moving back home! Tough Knick love! Demand the real deal folks!

so i guess we're just phucked then...since we don't have that many stars to begin with.

Blinded by hate, your blinded by devout affection for a false premise.

We can go round and round, and finally realize our typing skills and lack of ability and time it takes to clarify every point that we are 80% in agreement.

My signature is there because as a fan I am powerless to change, so I want to believe, and since Isiah gonna do what Isiah gonna do, im going to wish him the best and hope it works out. thats a fan brother! I did the same for Laydog, except I tried and tried to understand what he was doing. ANd finally figured him out, or he began to make sense, BAM he was canned. Ok, im ok with Isiah, really. But I just don't follow his every move and believe like a choir boy to a priest. My expectations are much higher than most, and thus really don't put my faith in this, until I see more substance. Hence, my suggetions are not "Starphucked" trade masterbation talk, but I believe he got his team and needs to see it gel. If an opportunity comes his way, he's got to pounce.

He has yet to prove he is a Jerry West trade master or draft Guru. The only thing he has shown is he can mentor young guys.

I wished Laydog all the success (I was Nedyal back then), and I do the same for Isiah. My critique is often not at Isiah, but the over exuberant fans here whom take every thing on faith from the organization and blindly believe every bit with stars in their eyes.

And the revenue flows into dolans slimy hands. Hence, With stars in the eyes, some fans can't see, or feel they are getting Phuched!