isiah did an interview with MSG during the stephon marbury to the olympics announcement. he said that he, steph, AND sweetney were going to the detroit/nets game to further their nba education. now we all knew about steph, but sweets too? that's awesome. this is something layden would NEVER do. looks like sweets is part of the knicks future (and i'm crediting aguirre for this one).

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05/15/2004 09:55:51]

Sweet!

I'm excited about the upcoming season. I think Marbury and Sweetney are going to be better than last year, hopefully Sweetney playing at a level where KT is expendable.

I also think Frank Williams and DerMarr Johnson will imrpove this offseason. Should be a fun summer league team watching those 3 play together.

Isiah, I think, can piece together the Knicks' assets (3 expiring contracts, Kurt Thomas, Frank Williams, 2nd rounder) to get 1-2 piece in return. I love Frank, but if you can deal him to improve the team you have to. KT might be expendable w/ Sweetney's emergence, and the 3 expiring contracts were almost useless this year. If he can make those 5 players and draft pick turn into 2 better players, then utilize the MLE and LLE, the Knicks will be headed in the right direction.

while we get some in here who knocks Thomas for some odd reason(and I know why) he is what the knicks needed, someone who could really look at what this organization needed, and take steps to make changes. And not only personell changes but changes within the players thinking, layden did none of this, actually Sweetney was rotting on the bench and that was both layden and chaney's fault, chaney for not playing him and layden for allowing that to happen. I can't wait until next year, I really think that zeke has big plans for sweet..

wow, imagine an NBA GM who actually gets involved in trying to develop the players he acquires...what a novel concept!

Well, Nalod it looks as if you proved TKF right .

Naturally, you put a negative spin on this attempt at team unity and learning, by making it seems as though this is a grandstand gesture by that spotlight-junkie Isiah, who is merely doing this to usurp Lenny Wilkins’ authority.

Hey, this is the NBA a public entity of the highest order, if Layden wanted to climb under a rock, hide and not have anyone criticize his mentally challenged decisions, then he should have just picked up an application to work at the post office, and not ruin our basketball lives.

And what Layden did to this organization for the years he was here is not irrelevant. Dude got paid millions to be the worst GM ever. Its going to take years to clean the mess he made, where the only bright spot in four years was drafting a couple of second round maybe’s. And by bright spot I mean a 10 watt light bulb.

And if I may say, you are being quite hypocritical Nalod. You act as if its totally outrageous for Knick fans to bring up Scott Layden as if its some sort of ancient history that has no bearing on the current team. That advice doesn’t stop you from bringing up EVERY mistake made by NY Knicks management (conveniently skipping the Layden era of course!!) . All of which is couched in an attempt to bury Isiah and the Marbury trade with this idea of Star-Phuching, by linking Zeke with the bad moves of Knick past.

Rather “star-phuch” then hideously overpay for scrubs because they are either “nice” or from Utah because I don’t know what the “phuch” I am doing…phuch.

In my defense, I am overly critical of our ownership policy which if goes unchanged will continue to field less than great teams.

The "Isiah love" is just as sickening to hear as all the whining and complaining about everything else. My goodness, some are calling for Lenny's head and want another 6 trades. Isiah gonna........Isiah gonna.........

I will say it again, Laydog was an awful hire. Never ever should have been put in that position.

For all Isiah has done, he has only produced 2 more wins than the previous year.

And yes, I am firmly believeing that our teams only chance is to create Unity. I don't give a flying fist about press reports of whom is eating with whom, and watching games, and how Laydog or checketts did or did not create an environment for unity.

What matters is not whom trades for whom, but the wins that get put up. No exuses.

I support Isiah and wish to hell he can turn this thing around. But don't kid yourself, its not turned around by any means yet. We suck in certain areas. And the fabricated bull crap of "Isiah gonna do this, Isiah gonna do that......" is more star phuching internet dreaming. Y'all just circle jerk in little Knick fantasy trade scenarios all happy cuz Isiah now in charge.

I want a real team, not just a starphucked squad that sells tickets and peters out in the end. Sorry, I expect better and some of you should too. Some of you wanted Magic Johnson. I dig what he does in business, but you listen to him latley? Talk about Star Phuched! Over and over talk about other teams players and how "Isiah gonna get them....." is pure nonsense. We need to cultivate our own players.
How many times we going to throw in Frank williams as a trade? That is silly talk. Let him develope here! And sweets!

All talk about sheed as the savior. I realize he is hurt, but look at the type of game he plays and Raef Lafrenz. Very similar. Oh, Isiah gonna make him play low and bang? Ok by me, but is that Sheeds game at 31 yrs old? Sheed is also kind of nutty if I recall. Im not suggesting Raef, but y'all went balastic when Raef was menitoned.

As for Laydog or other GM's in charge: I hate bloated also ran players as much as you guys. I hate Moochie (just cuz he is not fatspoon is not enough), I hate Shandon, I can't stand having Mutumbo on the team, and am not thrilled with TT. I hate that Checketts agreed to max H20 and Laydog had to honor it.

I wanted this team blown up. Thats my position. Until Isiah gets Marbs the right players to play with he will be a wasted talent only here to sell tickets. Thats right, 6-3 point guards are not saviors.


And yeah, its irrelevent that laydog is gone and his sins of the past. Starphucked Dolan gave you Isiah so all those bad things are now forgiven and you can pay big ticket prices now that Laydog is gone. Dolan is very smart that way. When ever we get stuck, fans can now blame Laydog and his sins. I bet Isiah throwback jerseys are big sellers. Too bad they don't have Knicks on them.

We need TMack, but not at the expense of Marburry. Tmack would never agree to come to N.Y without having Marburry as a team-mate. Without Marburry, New York would resembled the current Magic.

I agree with everything you just said, fishmike. Isiah is enthusiastic with what he has, but he isn't satissfied. He is making sure they they all take strides to make improvement.

Layden- We will do whatever we can to improve the team, but we are happy with what we have, and I am sure they will eventually become good. Trust me.

Isiah- We are not happy until we win a championship. I like our assets, but they can still improve. I am gonna have them work hard and and show me that they can totally extend their capabilities. In the meantime, I am going to be looking hard and long for a couple of other assets, and try and get them with the MLE or via trade or sign and trade. I can't guarantee we do anything big this Summer, but I can promise you that our players will be improved through hard work. And I can tell you that we will be doing all we can to get Allan back on his feet

Posted by Nalod:
But lets not forget, Isiah was a great player, but has shown a mixed result in his post player days. Sure anything may appear better than Laydogs tenure, and Isiah's hope is yet unrealized. So lets not give him a hero's welcome until he has done somthing except make a lot of trades and potential is actualized.

Layden might have sucked, but we should demand a lot from the ownership. They have starphucked us for many years!

Isiah has a lot to prove here, because his post player NBA career has been OK at best.

Would someboby please explain the the starphucked concept to me?