yellowboy90 wrote:No and No. How is Barnes an upgrade? He is basically a taller Shump who can finish a little better. GSW has really messed up their chances when they re-signed bogut and signed Iggy in FA to long deals. Bogut, Lee, and Iggy are old and two of them have health issues.

Back to Lee, his contract is too long to consider.

The only deal I might would do would be Barnes and Ezili for Smith. Smith is the better player but he is a headache. However, if Phil wants Smith and could use him as a catch and shoot player then I'd keep him.

Barnes way to survive in the league is rebounding and defense. Then become more selective with his shots.

You just described why shump for Barnes works. Knicks don't have a back up small fwd. They might not even have a starting small fwd like I already said about.

I understand Lee having 2 years is touchy, but I explained why cuz of Phil.

Why would golden St want Smith when they have the splash brothers and Iggy?

EnySpree wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:No and No. How is Barnes an upgrade? He is basically a taller Shump who can finish a little better. GSW has really messed up their chances when they re-signed bogut and signed Iggy in FA to long deals. Bogut, Lee, and Iggy are old and two of them have health issues.

Back to Lee, his contract is too long to consider.

The only deal I might would do would be Barnes and Ezili for Smith. Smith is the better player but he is a headache. However, if Phil wants Smith and could use him as a catch and shoot player then I'd keep him.

Barnes way to survive in the league is rebounding and defense. Then become more selective with his shots.

You just described why shump for Barnes works. Knicks don't have a back up small fwd. They might not even have a starting small fwd like I already said about.

I understand Lee having 2 years is touchy, but I explained why cuz of Phil.

Why would golden St want Smith when they have the splash brothers and Iggy?

I'd actually take Shump D over Barnes as a forward and I am not that fond of Shump's D against taller players not named George. Maybe if Barnes was a committed defender at his size but he isn't right now. Maybe Barnes was in a super sophomore slump? I just don't see him as a legit upgrade over a low level FA.The only thing he has going for him is youth and a inexpensive contract.

Lee injuries and defense is what scares me. Why go get another unhealthy pf? His offensive skill set is probably a good fit.

I personally wouldn't trade Smith until the new coach and Phil got their hands on him. You keep him in the starting lineup to keep him the 3rd fiddle between Melo(if stays) and Amar'e. Maybe JR can transform like Lamar Odom did when he went to the lakers. Why GSW would consider imo is because he is a legit bench threat who close the season great when he was healthy. GSW bench is terrible and if you can live with Jordan Crawford you might as well go get a better player with the same problems but that can shoot and have more size.

yellowboy90 wrote:No and No. How is Barnes an upgrade? He is basically a taller Shump who can finish a little better. GSW has really messed up their chances when they re-signed bogut and signed Iggy in FA to long deals. Bogut, Lee, and Iggy are old and two of them have health issues.

Back to Lee, his contract is too long to consider.

The only deal I might would do would be Barnes and Ezili for Smith. Smith is the better player but he is a headache. However, if Phil wants Smith and could use him as a catch and shoot player then I'd keep him.

Barnes way to survive in the league is rebounding and defense. Then become more selective with his shots.

they are on winning teams and they have value.. I mean come on.. iggy is a two way player and has shown to be a difference maker..

Harrison Barnes is still young and has shown flashes.. teams will take chances with him

lee is a double- double machine who can score and finish, always value for guys like that..

not saying we should look at those guys, but lets not make out like they are dead weight... all three on our team now would still be an upgrade from what we have..

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:No and No. How is Barnes an upgrade? He is basically a taller Shump who can finish a little better. GSW has really messed up their chances when they re-signed bogut and signed Iggy in FA to long deals. Bogut, Lee, and Iggy are old and two of them have health issues.

Back to Lee, his contract is too long to consider.

The only deal I might would do would be Barnes and Ezili for Smith. Smith is the better player but he is a headache. However, if Phil wants Smith and could use him as a catch and shoot player then I'd keep him.

Barnes way to survive in the league is rebounding and defense. Then become more selective with his shots.

they are on winning teams and they have value.. I mean come on.. iggy is a two way player and has shown to be a difference maker..

Harrison Barnes is still young and has shown flashes.. teams will take chances with him

lee is a double- double machine who can score and finish, always value for guys like that..

not saying we should look at those guys, but lets not make out like they are dead weight... all three on our team now would still be an upgrade from what we have..

Iggy had a great year in a very diminished offensive role but he doesn't do anything for them going forward to get the to the finals. Who knows maybe he stays in the Marion/Battier role but how can GSW upgrade their roster?

CrushAlot wrote:Lee for Tyson almost workson it's own in trade checker. MJax liked Tyson and Tyson is his neighbor. Maybe a warmer climate allows Tyson to get back on the court for sixty games a year.

Don't see why they would trade for Tyson when they already have Bogut.

yellowboy90 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:No and No. How is Barnes an upgrade? He is basically a taller Shump who can finish a little better. GSW has really messed up their chances when they re-signed bogut and signed Iggy in FA to long deals. Bogut, Lee, and Iggy are old and two of them have health issues.

Back to Lee, his contract is too long to consider.

The only deal I might would do would be Barnes and Ezili for Smith. Smith is the better player but he is a headache. However, if Phil wants Smith and could use him as a catch and shoot player then I'd keep him.

Barnes way to survive in the league is rebounding and defense. Then become more selective with his shots.

they are on winning teams and they have value.. I mean come on.. iggy is a two way player and has shown to be a difference maker..

Harrison Barnes is still young and has shown flashes.. teams will take chances with him

lee is a double- double machine who can score and finish, always value for guys like that..

not saying we should look at those guys, but lets not make out like they are dead weight... all three on our team now would still be an upgrade from what we have..

Iggy had a great year in a very diminished offensive role but he doesn't do anything for them going forward to get the to the finals. Who knows maybe he stays in the Marion/Battier role but how can GSW upgrade their roster?

barnes and lee still have value, there are ways to upgrade the roster...I think they need a big on that front line who will stay healthy and can defend.... those types of guys are not easy to find nowadays... big problem is that they won't have cap space until 2016, and bogut is killing their cap... dude has been a walking injury and they knew that before they signed him..