knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Let's hope Amare believes his own hype and opts out..Then let's also hope that Phil doesn't become one of his suitors..Nothing surprises me anymore..We picked up Billups' option at 14 mil per then amnesty him..

Two different GM's handled the Billups situation, it wasnt like one did both. Walsh picking up his option was a smart move, the team still was trying to get Chris Paul and needed a tradeable player, and if they didnt they'd have 5 mil of money sitting for the year that was guaranteed to him. I cant even knock Grunwald for his decision either since Tyson was coming off a title run and at that time.

As far as Amare goes, maybe he does opt out, and if the price were right, I'd certainly welcome him back.

He's productive when he plays, just make his deal dependant om his minutes and games played and I'm good.

Signing tyson with the billups amnesty was moronic and careless. There is no way to paint this in pretty light.

Amare is not opting out, that's preposterous!

H1AND1 wrote:I think if Amare went to his agent and said he was opting out his agent would cholorform him and put him in one of those stand up body cages like Hannibal Lector was put into until he agreed to opt in.

Lmao - thats funny

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Let's hope Amare believes his own hype and opts out..Then let's also hope that Phil doesn't become one of his suitors..Nothing surprises me anymore..We picked up Billups' option at 14 mil per then amnesty him..

Two different GM's handled the Billups situation, it wasnt like one did both. Walsh picking up his option was a smart move, the team still was trying to get Chris Paul and needed a tradeable player, and if they didnt they'd have 5 mil of money sitting for the year that was guaranteed to him. I cant even knock Grunwald for his decision either since Tyson was coming off a title run and at that time.

As far as Amare goes, maybe he does opt out, and if the price were right, I'd certainly welcome him back.

He's productive when he plays, just make his deal dependant om his minutes and games played and I'm good.

Signing tyson with the billups amnesty was moronic and careless. There is no way to paint this in pretty light.

Amare is not opting out, that's preposterous!

What would you have done on that front? If you keep him, keep in mind he got injured and was done for the year.

Dont be surprised with Amare, he's already still showing he can play when healthy.

I keep him and keep the amnesty for Amare (which would have certainly been used the next summer).

Could not make a worse move than starting TD at PG for MDA while at the same time wasting the golden amnesty

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Let's hope Amare believes his own hype and opts out..Then let's also hope that Phil doesn't become one of his suitors..Nothing surprises me anymore..We picked up Billups' option at 14 mil per then amnesty him..

Two different GM's handled the Billups situation, it wasnt like one did both. Walsh picking up his option was a smart move, the team still was trying to get Chris Paul and needed a tradeable player, and if they didnt they'd have 5 mil of money sitting for the year that was guaranteed to him. I cant even knock Grunwald for his decision either since Tyson was coming off a title run and at that time.

As far as Amare goes, maybe he does opt out, and if the price were right, I'd certainly welcome him back.

He's productive when he plays, just make his deal dependant om his minutes and games played and I'm good.

Signing tyson with the billups amnesty was moronic and careless. There is no way to paint this in pretty light.

Amare is not opting out, that's preposterous!

What would you have done on that front? If you keep him, keep in mind he got injured and was done for the year.

Dont be surprised with Amare, he's already still showing he can play when healthy.

I keep him and keep the amnesty for Amare (which would have certainly been used the next summer).

Could not make a worse move than starting TD at PG for MDA while at the same time wasting the golden amnesty

I honestly believe D'antoni resisted signing a pg, keep in mind immediately after getting swept by Boston he proclaimed melo should be a triple double threat....how would that happen with a pg on the floor?

Even in that same series he flat out refused to use Anthony Carter when Billups went down.

As far as the amnesty goes, it sounds nice to save it for amare, but we know they wouldnt have, and to pay that much dough for a player to walk and help another team win is not a good look.

I disagree. MDA always wants a PG. Melo could have still been a triple double threat but certainly when we have no PG.

I do think the knicks would have used it the following summer in a heart beat. Fans were blaming Dolan for not taking the 60 million poison pill hit from Lin and I am sure that Dolan considered it. He would not have thought for a second and amnesty'ing stat.

They pretty much would have only had Melo on the books with many options to surround him with efficient teammates.

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks need to sit anthony and get his shoulder checked out. They need to put stat on the bench and save his knees and hope he can play 50-60 games next year. They need to consider sitting shump due to past knee problems. They should play or waive murry. If they waive him they need to bring in another guy to audition for a roster spot at the point and as a possible trade chip for the future. Tyler and Aldrich need to get 30+ minutes a game. Tyson left the raps game hurt. He has played his fifty games so it is time for him to just go home. Knicks need to see if these young guys are players or if there are roster spots to be filled.

Good points. No point whatsoever seeing any of the older vets go out there and struggle physically. What's the point now? We were just eliminated..Shut down Melo for the duration...Would love to see Cole Aldrich get big mins every night but hope that won't backfire -- if this dude goes out there and puts up double-doubles on a nightly basis to wrap up the year, maybe a couple of 20-rebound games, multiple block games, etc., he very well might price himself right out of our league (still hoping to bring this guy back on a vet minimum contract and use our MLE on something else--if we're calculating and decide to suppress him the rest of the way, that may limit the amount of suitors there might be and keep his price tag down). On the other hand, I'd like to see the young man showcase his skills and do the best for himself...I just wish there was a standard rule in place that if a player played for you, even for 1 year, you have the luxury of going as high as you want to keep that particular player. Just look at this case -- I mean we might not even have enough money to retain Cole Aldrich. Something feels wrong with that. It's way too restrictive. You wanna limit a tax-paying/over-the-cap team, I understand and can see why, but don't completely cut that team's balls off. At least let them keep (God forbid give a raise to) some of the younger talent on the roster from walking out the door over small amounts of money. Come on..

Tyler, I don't even care man. Yeah, play him heavy mins the rest of the way and let's see but I have a pretty good idea already that this guy's not gonna be big time. You can just tell. Daniel Orton is a similar player out there that much more intriguing -- much more of an imposing presence, esp. defensively and on the glass. If we're gonna invest in a backup big man, I'd rather Orton over Tyler. Would also rather see the team invest in a more polished offensive 7' C (Marcus Cousin) and a rugged, rebounding 6'8" PF that also possesses better offensive feel (Richard Howell, practically a DeJuan Blair clone) over Tyler as well. Nothing Tyler's shown me thus far or will show me in the remaining games will convince me he's better than any of these bigs. I've seen them all play - these 3 guys are flat out better talents..

Very good post.

I did not even think of the repercussion of having Cole showcase his talents.

It really does suck that the current team does not have more flex with these types of players. I really like what I see in him, its a pity that Woody did not see the same thing.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks need to sit anthony and get his shoulder checked out. They need to put stat on the bench and save his knees and hope he can play 50-60 games next year. They need to consider sitting shump due to past knee problems. They should play or waive murry. If they waive him they need to bring in another guy to audition for a roster spot at the point and as a possible trade chip for the future. Tyler and Aldrich need to get 30+ minutes a game. Tyson left the raps game hurt. He has played his fifty games so it is time for him to just go home. Knicks need to see if these young guys are players or if there are roster spots to be filled.

It will be interesting to see if melo and amare play big minutes tonight. On oen hand you have a lot of people paying a lot of money to see NBA basketball--the other two injured guys who have no value tio the game. Mimai rested Wade many many games SA does it many teams do it. Maybe a cameo of 10 minutes and that s all--anything more than 15 or so would be a waste. Amare should be done.

If anyone of real importance sustains an significant injury it would be inexcusable. Anyone who has trade value should sit.

Ride the rest of then like secretariat

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Let's hope Amare believes his own hype and opts out..Then let's also hope that Phil doesn't become one of his suitors..Nothing surprises me anymore..We picked up Billups' option at 14 mil per then amnesty him..

Two different GM's handled the Billups situation, it wasnt like one did both. Walsh picking up his option was a smart move, the team still was trying to get Chris Paul and needed a tradeable player, and if they didnt they'd have 5 mil of money sitting for the year that was guaranteed to him. I cant even knock Grunwald for his decision either since Tyson was coming off a title run and at that time.

As far as Amare goes, maybe he does opt out, and if the price were right, I'd certainly welcome him back.

He's productive when he plays, just make his deal dependant om his minutes and games played and I'm good.

Signing tyson with the billups amnesty was moronic and careless. There is no way to paint this in pretty light.

Amare is not opting out, that's preposterous!

What would you have done on that front? If you keep him, keep in mind he got injured and was done for the year.

Dont be surprised with Amare, he's already still showing he can play when healthy.

I keep him and keep the amnesty for Amare (which would have certainly been used the next summer).

Could not make a worse move than starting TD at PG for MDA while at the same time wasting the golden amnesty

I honestly believe D'antoni resisted signing a pg, keep in mind immediately after getting swept by Boston he proclaimed melo should be a triple double threat....how would that happen with a pg on the floor?

Even in that same series he flat out refused to use Anthony Carter when Billups went down.

As far as the amnesty goes, it sounds nice to save it for amare, but we know they wouldnt have, and to pay that much dough for a player to walk and help another team win is not a good look.

I disagree. MDA always wants a PG. Melo could have still been a triple double threat but certainly when we have no PG.

I do think the knicks would have used it the following summer in a heart beat. Fans were blaming Dolan for not taking the 60 million poison pill hit from Lin and I am sure that Dolan considered it. He would not have thought for a second and amnesty'ing stat.

They pretty much would have only had Melo on the books with many options to surround him with efficient teammates.

He chose Duhon over a healthy Marbury, and certainly was opposed to the Melo deal.

As far as the amnesty goes, he's shown if a player is loyal...he wont use it on them.

The Knicks used the amnesty on an expiring contract the last time it was offered as well...recall JYD over H20, even the amensty was called "the Allan Houston rule"?

knickscity wrote:D'antoni wants things done his way, and he has shown he will shoot himself in the face if there is something he resents.

He chose Duhon over a healthy Marbury, and certainly was opposed to the Melo deal.

You really need to stop trying to make this point. It makes absolutely no sense. MDA ALWAYS wants a good PG. There's no sense trying to convince anyone that he wouldn't want a good PG and pointing to Steph isn't helping make the counter argument. He doesn't want a PG that is simply going to ignore what he asks them to do. Duhon was only chosen because he would accept the 2 yr deal for very little money. MDA does his best with smart Team oriented players who aren't head cases. That is what any GM should be trying to put together for him.

Now that we have Phil he's gonna want similar types of players. He too is a system guy who wants his teams to share the ball and play together 1st and foremost and let the star players take over when there's nothing else going on. There has to be a good balance of Team BB and individual talent. I'm hoping for Phil to bring in front office people and a coach that fully understand the need to play TEAM BB. Even if we brought back many of the same players a better coach and staff could get more out of those players. Phil just needs to find the right player or 2 for next year to get this team to function better and then he can build whatever team he wants in 2015.

Nalod wrote:I thougth most fans were thrilled when we used Billups money for Tyson!

To amnesty Amare with 80 mil left on the books and 4 years would have been crazy at the time. With the benefit of hindsight we can see his health has declinded but after a half an MVP type season it was plausible his return to form was not out of line.

why do we always have to be the ones making wrong foresight type of decisions. heads will roll.