well IMHO, there is a legit chance that the Knicks could offer Marbury for Tmac. It would be hard to go around the league and find a better player than Marbury who would be dealt which would make sense. Orlando would likely make us take Howards contract and possibly take back Sweetney, but I think in our position even with the bad back at 24 years old you have to do what you can to go for a deal like this. I dont know at the end of the day if the knicks are a better club, but but Mcgrady is a guy who has top 5 talent and with our pay structure and his age I think that becomes a priority situation. If we give them a package that included
Marbury
Sweetney + end contract
for Mcgrady
Howard

I think you have to do that. There would have to be some other moves done but that would leave the knicks at

6-10 Nazr
6-9 Howard
6-10 Thomas
6-9 Mcgrady
fill in the blank Frank Williams?
7-2 Mutumbo
6-9 Thomas
6-9 Johnson
Houston 6-6
young vet PG
Baker 6-11

tmac has a history of back problems. no thanks.

I dont care what anyone thinks - you do not pass up a chance to have Webber and TMac on the same team. Any GM who would pass on that is simply insane. It is almost as good as Shaq and Kobe - especially in the east. Are you guys crazy? Calling the Knicks star phuckers for wanting to pull of something like that? Who cares about Marbury if it came down to getting those 2 on this team - it is rediculous to even say thats a dumb move on NYs part.

Most importanly, none of this will ever happen because other GMs are not that dumb. We cant afford to get these guys unless its with a trade - including an albatross contract like H20 or Shanderson's and honestly - for TMac and Webber their teams can get much BETTER players. Our talent level is horrible outside of Marbury and a select few on the roster. Wake up and smell the coffee....New York players cannot net 2 superstars in trades. We simply do not have the talent for it.

Anyone who can pull those 2 onto a team has to be given GM of the year award...regardless of the season outcome.

Briggs: T-mac's back worries me, and I don't care if he was 19, a bad back is a bad back, and giving up a healthy steph who is just 2 1/2 years older to me may not be a wise move... I love T-Mac but you guys knock Marbury for not leading the knicks out of the first round but what about Mcgrady? he could not stop his team from losing 17 in a row..... i don't know about this one.. I think we should put our focus on getting Tyson chandler from the bulls.....

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Anyone who can pull those 2 onto a team has to be given GM of the year award...regardless of the season outcome.

The point is the season outcome.

IF you desire more to see those two wearing a uniform more than wins and losses, you are Star Phucked.

Before you get offended, please note that I do think its an entertainment business and that is the knicks goal. So yeah, they should do it, but its the collection of names that we would have to give up things to get.

Star Phuched players need to play more than 50 games a season and be healthy into the playoffs.

webber is the tough part for any club. most teams have to be reasonably cost conscience and taking on webbers larger remaining deal is a risk that I believe only the Knicks would take. Dallas doesnt need another PF they have real good ones and with a near 20mm per year price tag and a wobbly knee who is going to take a stab at that--plus give up high caliber prospects and or players? No one, really I dont even know if the knicks at this point can do it because the costs are so high, BUt if there is ateam that can do it and hand them back a solid player + ending contracts--the cost of trading an expensive player with huge $$$--you are going to get less--i think it's very possible. I wouldnt be honest if I say I wanted it to happen, but I think that what I wanted the team to do went out the door a long time ago.

Im not condoning this, Im merely accepting it and visulaizing what the knicks can legitiametly do. Trading Tmac has to net a high caliber player and taking a Sweetney for Howard is a pro active move in rebuilding the team which is kind of what they will need to do.

I dont know what will happen, but the more I look at some situations, the more I believe we will have a star phucked deal or 2 that will put the knicks in the headlines and sell tickets for the season. they jacked the cost of the garden 25mm+ per year and a long playoff run + TV advertsing could grab another 40mm> if the LT is gone, the knicks fly back into the black.

I love your post, but this one was too big :

At first :

Posted by tkf:

T-mac's back worries me, and I don't care if he was 19, a bad back is a bad back,

And then :

Posted by tkf:

I think we should put our focus on getting Tyson chandler from the bulls.....

Briggs,
Why would you give up Sweetney and why wouldnt you want Webber?

If all your giving is KT and expiring deals (say Deke, Harrington and TSki) how does getting Webber hurt us? Yea, the money is nuts but even if Webber and Houston miss games Frank and Sweetney both showed they are ready to play bigger roles, and your not hurting the pipeline. Heck, I would even bet Sac would give up their #1 which we could turn into Ricky Paulding or Roman Sato.

We are screwed until Houston and Shandon's deals are gone.. why not add a guy like Webber and make a finals run for the next 3 years?

Sometimes I think I think some of you guys live on Fantasy Island. Noe getting T-Mac for Marbury and a combo might work. But you think you can snare both Webber and T-Mac with what we have to offer thats ridiculous. Or that the Magic would give up T-Mac and Hill for TT and H20? As much as I like T-Mac and have watched him a lot thes epast few years, this year was the clincher in realizing he cannot lead a team. Even though he lead the league in Scoring he's much more of a Pippen than a Jordan, and needs another star to lead for him to excell.

would the knicks trade starbury would the magic take starbury?

if you believe in the theory of star phucking the answer is yes to trading starbury because tmac is an even bigger name.
would orlando trade tmac for starbury? well this is the tough part. if im losing tmac, i cannot cannot lose him for nothing BUT can I get a package of another high pick + propsects for T mac? Can I get Tyson Chandler Jamal Crawford and their high lotto for t mac? can i pull emeka okafor and josh smith out of the draft? well if i was trading tmac thats where i would go with it. but
we are a player because marbury is good enough to make us a player in that game. Starbury is worthy enough to take back, but to do it they would have to rid themselves of Howard. the sacremento owners know the value of money --if i was them i would look to get the hll out of webber even in a money deal that was reasonable. are the knicks going to pass on a webber even with some kinks in his armor? no star phucking way

that all depends on what the Kings want to do. Considering how well they (and Brad Miller) played without Webber they may just want to go in a different direction. KT and expiring contracts gives them a lot of flexibility. If they keep Webber they really have none. You know Bibby, Miller and Peja are the guys they are keeping no matter what. So if they want to change the core of that team moving Webber's contract is the way to do it.

By the way what exactly *IS* the philosophy of star phucking?