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These are the assets we have going into the offseason
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BRIGGS
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4/10/2014  8:48 PM
No draft picks

11 players under contract counting Jeremy Tyler's team option

Over 50mm in ending contracts

Because we are a taxpaying team we have one MLE at 3.1mm per for 3 years

A 2018 1 st round pick

3mm in free cash to spend on draft picks deals etc...

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mreinman
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4/10/2014  9:30 PM
Thj an Shump are assets.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/10/2014  9:38 PM
Knicks need to sign a player for the rest of the year with a team option for next year to use in a trade. It is gm 101. Not sure why they aren't doing it.
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4/10/2014  9:48 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks need to sign a player for the rest of the year with a team option for next year to use in a trade. It is gm 101. Not sure why they aren't doing it.

You don't trust Phil?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/10/2014  9:52 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks need to sign a player for the rest of the year with a team option for next year to use in a trade. It is gm 101. Not sure why they aren't doing it.

You don't trust Phil?

I trust him but it is a no risk move that most teams are making right now. For a team that has limited assets, trade able players and salary cap wiggle room it seems like a no brainer. He is a first timer being assisted by another first timer. Hopefully they make this move.
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4/10/2014  9:59 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks need to sign a player for the rest of the year with a team option for next year to use in a trade. It is gm 101. Not sure why they aren't doing it.

You don't trust Phil?

I trust him but it is a no risk move that most teams are making right now. For a team that has limited assets, trade able players and salary cap wiggle room it seems like a no brainer. He is a first timer being assisted by another first timer. Hopefully they make this move.

It just seems like fans call for moves to be made by people who are much smarter than we are and have far more data than we have.

At some point, we will have to as fans feel trust over control.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/10/2014  10:18 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks need to sign a player for the rest of the year with a team option for next year to use in a trade. It is gm 101. Not sure why they aren't doing it.

You don't trust Phil?

I trust him but it is a no risk move that most teams are making right now. For a team that has limited assets, trade able players and salary cap wiggle room it seems like a no brainer. He is a first timer being assisted by another first timer. Hopefully they make this move.

It just seems like fans call for moves to be made by people who are much smarter than we are and have far more data than we have.

At some point, we will have to as fans feel trust over control.

Is that a questionable move? Last year Q was that guy. The year before Gadz. If the Knicks are standing pat and don't need a guy to fill a salary slot that can come off the cap of another team then don't do it. However, I don't think the Knicks are standing pat.
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4/11/2014  3:27 AM
I think as badly as he's played this season Tyson is an asset (not just an expiring)- I think he can get you a few picks. I also think we can but a second rounder from the Sixers- don't they own the entire second round of the draft?!

Also we might be able to trade Melo for some picks/young players.

Basically if we decide to lose Melo/ he decides he wants out, and we shift Tyson, we could have a nice little haul of picks, plus a high 2015 pick followed by maximum cap space. Things aren't so bleak.

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4/11/2014  8:05 AM
Assets? We talkin bout assets?
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4/11/2014  8:17 AM
I never took accounting, but aren't these really liabilities?

I think the only asset we have is Melo, and he could leave for nothing, and he might end up staying and taking up most of the cap.

Where is the upside on our assets? THjr & maybe Shump have upside.

Chandler should be traded- because quite honestly, we can get the same production from Cole Aldrich and Jeremy Tyler. If we can get a draft pick back, great- but his salary needs to be shifted to help make an impact from the PG position.

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4/11/2014  10:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/12/2014  7:49 PM
Not sure how much we can expect this off-season. I'd start with our MLE and retaining Cole Aldrich. Honestly believe we could get similar production to Tyson Chandler outta Aldrich if only he were used more. Cole showed me enough in limited duty that we should bring him back for next year, esp. if we wind up moving Chandler. No-brainer on the size/rebounding/rim protection aspects alone...I would start with a vet minimum offer for Aldrich--hopefully that's enough; and if that didn't work (say there's competition out there, someone comes along and offers him $2.5-3mm per), I'd seriously consider offering him part of the limited MLE to match. Ideally, I'd love to offer Patty Mills the full MLE but that might be a longshot... Mills looked great again last night -- 26 points on national TV -- excels/fills in admirably whenever he's been inserted into the starting lineup over the last 2 season for Tony Parker...This guy can definitely run his own team -- it's the only thing SA can't match if we came and offered the entire limited mid-level starting at $3.278mm -- I think they'd match a 3-yr/$10mm deal but they can't offer him a starting role, not while Parker's still there---that's where we could have the upper hand. Gotta come hard and heavy with our best offer to even have a chance at this guy -- are we prepared to do that? Steve Kerr did the SA/Dallas broadcast last night for TNT -- he had a lot of nice things to say about Mills--if he winds up being our coach, maybe that could help us when the time comes. If it looks like Patty stays in SA, I'd make sure I got Cole back at least, then go from there. That would pretty much put a wrap on the bigger spending -- if we could get Mills with a full tax-paying MLE offer and re-up Aldrich on a vet minimum deal, that's be great. What more could we possibly ask for, being over the cap? Given our situation, Mills/Aldrich together would be a coup! I'd then shift my focus to the following:

• Dangle Chandler, Shumpert and even Hardaway Jr. out there and see what I could get for each guy. If we keep Melo, these are our 3 main trading chips.

• Lastly, consider fortifying with the following low-risk/high-reward types on league-minimum deals to round out the roster -- look for universal talents that fit REGARDLESS of whether or not Melo comes back, REGARDLESS of who's already on the roster. The idea is to add and audition the best cheap talent we can get our hands on -- think in terms of the following: adding more size and skill up front; adding more toughness/rebounding/another shot-blocker to hopefully go along with Aldrich; adding more scoring; adding more athleticism; contemplate adding another decent SG option and a little more talent/skill at PG:

- 7' C Marcus Cousin
- 6'10" C/PF Daniel Orton
- 6'8" PF Rich Howell
- 6'9" SF Devin Ebanks
- 6'8" SG/SF DeQuan Jones
- 6'8" SF Chris Wright (if not retained by Milwaukee)
- 6'6" SG/SF Glen Rice Jr. (if not retained by Washington)
- 6'6" SG Terrence Williams
- 6'5" SG Patrick Christopher
- 6'4" SG BJ Young (Not sure why this guy never got proper PT while with the Rio Grande Valley Vipers in the DL. He barely played there -- then got traded to the Delaware 87ers and over the last 10 games of the season or so, he played more and played well. Not sure of this kid's status, if he'll play for Delaware next season or what. Bottom line is this kid's one of the highest upside players in the entire NBDL bar none...I'd definitely invite Young to SL and then if he didn't make the NBA roster, I'd guarantee him a spot on our new Westchester DL team and develop him to the fullest. Huge offensive potential. Could be something close to Monta Ellis - might even be able to play some PG)
- 6'2" PG/SG Seth Curry (44 last night for Santa Cruz)
- 6'1" PG Kalin Lucas
- 6'1" PG Curtis Jerrells
- 6'2" PG Jeremy Pargo
- 6'0" PG Sherron Collins

These are just some of the guys I personally like that fit the above mandate; guys we could get on the cheap that fit the bill. The pool of these types of players is large. Scour the landscape looking for the best of the best in this category, leave no stone unturned in the process. Player options for year 2 are a must for any keeper.

And this isn't even considering the draft -- as of right now, we have no picks. If we can pull off a deal or 2 to get into this draft, God-willing we come up with a 1st round pick, that's gravy. Icing on the cake..Not sure what else we could realistically expect Phil do this off-season outside of replacing the head coach and hopefully adding a better basketball mind in the GM role. If we executed a game plan like this, I'd be ecstatic.

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4/11/2014  10:30 AM
Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.

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4/11/2014  10:35 AM
fishmike wrote:Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.


Great. Welcome Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay!
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4/11/2014  10:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.


Great. Welcome Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay!
hey.. at least your naming real humans. Those guys would have helped this year. If thats who Phil brings in ok
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4/11/2014  10:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.


Great. Welcome Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay!

Does that team get out of the 1st round?

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4/11/2014  10:42 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.


Great. Welcome Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay!

With Brandon Jennings, Nick Young and Monta Ellis now that he is cured.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/11/2014  10:43 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.


Great. Welcome Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay!

Does that team get out of the 1st round?

Don't we want just to get IN to the first round?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/11/2014  10:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2014  10:45 AM
Anymore castoffs/malcontents?

How about a player with a really bad injury history uninsured like an Amare v2.0?

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4/11/2014  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2014  10:51 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Knicks are going to spend money and re-tool. Phil didnt sign up for 5 years of drafting and tanking at age 88 or however old he is.

What I "expect"

1) resign Melo
2) Look at every undrafted Euro player and see who we can bring over to fill out the roster (Mosgov, Prigs come to mind)
3) Heavily scout the bottom of the draft so if we have the chance to buy late #1s or trade we are prepped and have specific player on the radar
4) Do something creative with the $50mm in expiring contracts of Amare/Bargs/Chandler. I expect them to take on salary and years. Rather then hope for 2015 and take the best players they can get this will let them target certain players with certain skills and figure how to build this team to fit the style of play and system the GM is going to put in place. Hard to envision Phil doing a purg when the best out there is Kevin Love and DeAndre Jordan.


Great. Welcome Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay!

Does that team get out of the 1st round?


Not sure it even gets to the first round. Those guys put up high PPG but I'm not sure they actually help their teams
These are the assets we have going into the offseason

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