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Phil Jackson has a LOT of work to do
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BRIGGS
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4/9/2014  8:35 PM
C position--Chandler on ending contract Cole C can leave for cheap Tyler is signed but we did not continue to develop

PF Amare Stoudemire--ending contract can play maybe 60 games at 25 minutes if lucky back ups Kenyon Martin--gone Bargs--who the f knows

SF Carmelo--does he stay or does he go? Shumpert do we want him to stay

G J R Smith value wise with production and 2 more years on his contract but mentally will he keep it together THJ needs to add more to his body and game

PG Felton--likely moving to back up Pablo likely gone


This is a mess.

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mreinman
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4/9/2014  8:57 PM
He has work to do but as fans we need to not expect anything or any big moves before 2015. That is when he will earn his money.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2014  9:04 PM
It could be very easy actually if he can find a pg for his coach and not give Bargs any serious minutes. Chandler and Melo problems only become hard if they keep Melo.
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4/9/2014  9:05 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:It could be very easy actually if he can find a pg for his coach and not give Bargs any serious minutes. Chandler and Melo problems only become hard if they keep Melo.

Can't see how Melo is staying. I think he is a gonner and Dolan did not have the stones to make the move and Phil has the shoulders to handle it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2014  9:11 PM
I doubt it.
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4/9/2014  9:14 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt it.

He has always overvalued himself. Phil is gonna convince him otherwise and to sign with a big discount?

Not gonna happen, especially with the CAA idiots.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2014  9:41 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt it.

He has always overvalued himself. Phil is gonna convince him otherwise and to sign with a big discount?

Not gonna happen, especially with the CAA idiots.

CAA is really just another agency now. The same agency many other players in the NBA have. They just had more pull with the Knicks because they were helping Dolan with other things. Just wait and see. Melo will likely stay in NY at 18M.

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4/9/2014  9:46 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt it.

He has always overvalued himself. Phil is gonna convince him otherwise and to sign with a big discount?

Not gonna happen, especially with the CAA idiots.

CAA is really just another agency now. The same agency many other players in the NBA have. They just had more pull with the Knicks because they were helping Dolan with other things. Just wait and see. Melo will likely stay in NY at 18M.

if its happening, that is probably the right number.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/9/2014  10:30 PM
The very 1st thing Phil will do is bring some semblance of real BB to this team on offense and defense. This exact same roster can play better if they actually played a legit Offensive scheme and a defense that doesn't put them in bad positions all the time.

"Jackson said he wants a team "in which injuries are limited" and "a system so that balls can move, passes are made and people make cuts and create open opportunities for teammates. These are things that are important to me."

So you make just a few small but important additions to the very same team and put players in the right spots and you could get a LOT more out of this team. We've been watching this team play DUMB ASS BB for so long now that we don't even realize that you can have less talent than we have and win if you play the right way. So why is it that the Knicks can't play much better with just a tweak to the roster but a MASSIVE change in the style of play to that of Team BB rather than the garbage we've been playing this year?

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4/9/2014  10:47 PM
Phil has to make moves to help this team. I personally think Melo is a goner. He is going to somewhere that is in title mode. I personally think he ends up in Houston in and trade. Once that domino falls the Knicks go into full on rebuild. I can see mass movement to obtain picks similar to what the Celtics did this year.
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4/10/2014  5:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2014  6:13 AM
Vmart wrote:Phil has to make moves to help this team. I personally think Melo is a goner. He is going to somewhere that is in title mode. I personally think he ends up in Houston in and trade. Once that domino falls the Knicks go into full on rebuild. I can see mass movement to obtain picks similar to what the Celtics did this year.

At this point, part of me thinks we might as well trade Melo off and start over. I'm really 50/50 on this -- can see it both ways...This 2nd shoulder issue (now the other shoulder) has got me concerned, as does Melo's age & style of play which, let's face it, isn't really conducive to the type of ball Phil wants to play.

Then again, if we keep him (dude is a star in his prime) and can get him to trust his teammates more and buy into the new system, I honestly think we could be competitive again next year w/o spending too much money (since we're over the cap, we can't really spend a ton anyway. Not yet.). Regardless if Melo's retained or not, we need to see a series of sound, well-thought-out moves to improve the roster within the budget we'll be working with:

(1) Sign Patty Mills like Briggs mentioned recently. Being a tax-paying team, I believe that we can offer a contract starting at $3.278mm that runs for up to 3 years max with 4.5% raises. 3 yrs/$10.28mm with the assurance that he becomes the starting PG (Felton and Prigioni are pushed to the bench until we can find takers). I think that's fair and might be something SA isn't prepared to offer him.

(2) Sign Cole Aldrich to a full vet minimum deal for a 5-year player -- 2 yrs/$2.163mm I believe.

(3) Look into moving Chandler and Shumpert, Hardaway Jr. too possibly (I'm not married to this kid at all) for a young impact player(s) or a pick(s). Call Sacramento -- see if they'd do Shumpert for McCallum/Acy and pick 37. Call Cleveland -- see if they'd do Shumpert for Scotty Hopson and pick 33, etc.

(4) If we wind up moving Chandler, bring in one more 7-footer to split time with Cole in the middle. I liked Justin Hamilton for this role but the Heat just called him up and gave him a team option for next year. Next on my list would be Marcus Cousin. I think this guy's a well-rounded, very underrated 5-man that can play in the NBA. He plays hard, he rebounds and he's a very underrated offensive player. Surprisingly very polished. People would like this guy if they saw him play. Cousin/Aldrich would be enough for me in the middle. We don't need players that make a ton of money at every position -- just gimme some role players that are hungry, play hard and have an impact.

(5) Hopefully come up with a 1st round pick somewhere -- look at PGs like Napier, Burton, etc.

(6) Buy a 2nd round pick in the 30-40+ range -- consider Russ Smith 1st, then maybe a 2G upgrade to replace Shumpert -- CJ Wilcox, PJ Hairston if he slips, Jabari Brown, Bogdan Bogdanovic (only if we could sign him and he agreed to come to the NBA), etc..

(7) "Shake the bushes." Consider filling in some of the other gaps with cheap alternatives:

• Sign 7' C Marcus Cousin to a contract.
• Sign 6'8" PF Richard Howell (very similar to DeJuan Blair -- replaces Kenyon Martin, backs up Amar'e next season at the 4).
• Consider signing Daniel Orton as an extra big man (younger than Jeremy Tyler--more polished, better rebounder/shot-blocker, higher impact/upside. Better all-around version of Jeremy Tyler. Additional depth at the 4/5).
• Sign 6'9" SF Devin Ebanks (better version of Earl Clark -- legit hybrid forward that can back up or play alongside Melo. Very talented offensively).
• Sign a Terrence Williams, DeQuan Jones, Patrick Christopher (just had a 47-pt game in the DL), etc. (replacements for Shumpert--extra SG depth).
• Consider Glen Rice Jr. as an extra wing if Washington lets him become a FA.
• Consider signing either Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas to a contract (extra plus shooter in Curry; added PG depth with either guy).

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4/10/2014  6:30 AM
Not really. All he needs is a detonator switch
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4/10/2014  7:15 AM
Vmart wrote:Phil has to make moves to help this team. I personally think Melo is a goner. He is going to somewhere that is in title mode. I personally think he ends up in Houston in and trade. Once that domino falls the Knicks go into full on rebuild. I can see mass movement to obtain picks similar to what the Celtics did this year.

If Melo leaves--I really have no clue where they go. I do think a VERY bad mistake was adding Mosgov into that Carmelo deal--that shouldve been the deal breaker. If we had Mosgov and that 14mm we gave Chandler--the last few years might have been different. Now youre stuck with lame ducks at C and PF. The only position that we have some certainty at is SG. Right now 4 positions are up in their air--we have to wait and see about melo. Than we have to figure out style of play and role players. It might be in our best interest to be bad next year I mean real bad although I dont think they will do that.

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4/10/2014  7:27 AM
Very big mistake? How about not protecting any of the picks we gave up?!
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4/10/2014  7:32 AM
Blowing up the Knicks roster this summer? It just not happening, I see small moves to fill out the roster. Knicks will be lucky to get a pg that's any better than Felton. The only thing I expect is Woodson will be gone. Melo, hope he's back.
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4/10/2014  7:50 AM
It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..
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4/10/2014  8:34 AM
knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

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4/10/2014  9:21 AM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

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4/10/2014  9:22 AM
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Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/10/2014  9:35 AM
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree with no moves for this season. Next year should be about moves to add ending contracts and picks. The importance of next year will be no doubt be developing new talent making sure that the Knicks have developed some stand out talents to compliment free agent additions. Make no mistake once Melo leaves Hardaway and Shump if he is still around will become focal points. Bringing in solid pg prospects should also be on the agenda. Deals that will not hurt the flexibility for next year while improving young talent should be the agenda.

Phil Jackson has a LOT of work to do

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