tkf wrote:fishmike wrote:subzero0 wrote:fishmike wrote:subzero0 wrote:fishmike wrote:please.. Denver got nothing. They are going to spend the next 3 years trying to get a player good enough (cough cough) to get them in the playoffs every year. Mosgov is nice, and just an example of what happens when you keep and develop young players. Gallo is garbage and who knows if he's ever a regular NBA player any more. Who else? Will Chandler? Anthony Randolph? Please... Denver is a hodge podge of middle of the road NBA role players. But yea.. they do have a lot of them.But we can always expect fair and unbiased observations from TFK when it comes to the Melo trade, so this last post makes it look like a win.
I look at it this way. Denver's best player was injured, Gallinari and still they have a better record than the Knicks as of the writing of this post. Gallinari was out for the entire season.
The point you seem to be missing is Denver didnt make that trade for the present day. They made it for the future. Denver has a possible top 12 first round pick this year. Mosgov's raw talent is starting to develop into what could be a special player in this league and Gallinari if he gets back from injury could lead this team into the playoffs next year. Oh and they have miles of cap room because they have 3 expiring players.
This trade wasnt about trying to catch lightning in a bottle. It was about potential... (edited to add this)atleast it wasnt for the Nuggets.
Right... so 3 years later they are hoping 1) a guy whos always injured gets healthy 2) the next guy they draft will be a star 3) 3 years later they have cap flexibility and can chase who? Lebron?WOW... we have created more Knick fans.
I can see one thing... Nuggets fans have learned to know what its like to follow the Knicks ;)
Seems to me trade hasnt helped either team. Nuggets are hoping 3 years later that one of these assets they aquired turns into something useful. Knicks in those same 3 years will have 3 coaches and 3 GMs so they havent exactly had much of a plan either.
Yea, but I would rather be in the Denver nuggets position. The future looks bright for them. The knicks... yea, not so much.
it does? Honestly? What am I missing? I see a team built around big contracts given to Javal McGee, Ty Lawson and Gallo. Throw in Mosgov and Will Chandler. They have an extra pick which will certainly help. Whats the great position they are in? Who is the franchise talent that is leading them? Who are they building around? They have nice role players and no stars. We have a star and no role players. Seems like we just swapped problems.
With Melo the Nugs were 2nd tier. Good enough to get around 50 wins every year but not good enough to beat the elite team in the West and compete for a title. Now they are a lottery team stacked with overpaid role players and pining for a impact draft to bail them out of years of mediocrity. Who is the player if your a Nugs fan that has you excited about the future?
2nd tier? they only got out of the first round once.. they just didn't lose to elite teams, they lost to Utah and the clippers.. both were not elite teams....
they were a 50 win team, that had no future, no upside.. an overrated one dimensional allstar player who decided to hold that team hostage.. they were in no mans land... just like the Hawks were with joe Johnson..
now they are young, have picks, young players, and players they can easily trade and move.. heck we were just jocking one of their players in faried trying to dump shumpert for him... they have players that other teams want... they are in a good position.
you can huff and puff all you want, but they are in a better position that we are, even with Phil jackson...
sounds like your huffing and puffing about a team built around guys who cant stay healthy, have a bad record and no clear path of who they are building around, but yes... Denver is just about to turn the corner. Again.
Denver is in a good position? For what? They have depth... as in tons of guys who are decent but not great. Only problem is they can only play 5 at a time. There isnt a single player in Denver that is a coveted piece. Cle has Irving, Wash has Wall.. we could do this all day. Instead of paying Melo Denver is paying the same money to McGee and Gallo, two guys who are never on the court and Gallo is approaching the Danny Manning zone.
I know you are desperate for Denver to do great so you can waive your Melo sucks flag even higher, but they just arent good, and have less then the rest of the lottery teams going for them.
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