nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

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holfresh wrote:Thanks for nothing??...I'll thank him for 18-6, made the playoffs then a 54 win season which took us to the 2nd round...

no you need to thank melo, who carried the team to that 18-6 mark where he was name player of the wk twice, and player of the month..

then you can thank kidd, kurt thomas. and rasheed for helping us get to 54 wins..

Thank the boston celtics for having a depleted roster cause we surley would have lost that series if rondo was healthy and you know it..cmon man kg out rebounded the entire starting 5 by himself..

Say what you want, we saw the best results in over a decade under Woodson...

We're also seeing a sh***y season under him too. Does that mean he get all the blame? No. He did a GREAT job last season but I wouldn't "thank" only him for it. So many other factors went into it. Just like this season isn't entirely his fault though he should take some blame.

I agree, but the thread said thanks for Nothing??...You can never heap blame in one place, there are always many factors...That said, a 54 win season in the first full year on the job, is a 54 win season...

I think we as fans tend to look at the most recent body of work sometimes. I'm not saying that's definitely what the OP did but it's a possibility and it does happen. Woodys just made several head scratching decisions this season and it's frustrating.

Woodson is not a great coach, he is ok...We can certainly do worse and probably will...

No you really can't do worse. Name a worse coach. And before you say Dantoni, consider that Dantoni at least knew that ball movement was essential to an offense. As the ESPN poll indicates Woodson is a bottom of the barrel coach, the only two HC's ranked lower than him are coaches with far less to work with on their rosters.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..But consider this, MDA coached teams has given up the most 130 pts games the last 5 years..18-24 turned into 18--6 to make the playoffs is the poll I'm most concerned about...

Woodson had been stressing his desire to go big for the majority of the season. He started Bargs with Tyson until injury struck and he doesn't even start Prigs with Felton anymore cause he went back to a big lineup - one similar to what we would've started last season with had Amare not gotten hurt and forced him to start Kidd with Felton.

Well it wasn't working as it did last season was it?? the point of the Prigs starting was??, ball movement..

He didn't start Pablo cause he wanted to, he started him cause of injuries. If starting Pablo results in ball movement, as you seem to be saying, and Woodsons not starting him, how does that translate to Woodson wanting ball movement like you stated 2 posts above?

Yes or No..Is it your contention that Woodson didn't start Kidd or Prigs because of ball movement???..And if Prigs doesn't start then Woodson doesn't want ball movement???.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..

^ I'm saying that part isn't completely true since Woodsons been saying for most of the season that he wants to go big

Asked Woody why Pablo doesnt start when he usually helps NYK get back 2 last yr's principles. "The East is big, man." Cites need to match up

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/410441202920882176

So does going big equate not wanting ball movement???

Are you gonna keep trying to take everything literal to try to discredit me or actually read my post? You're saying Woodson started prigs with Felton for ball movement and I'm saying he only started prigs cause injuries forced him to. Ball movement and a nice winning streak came of it but it's not like we had all our guys healthy and Woody said "im gonna start Pablo to get the ball moving".

But the philosophy dates back to last year...

Yes. Back to when we started Kidd at the beginning of last season. We were gonna start Amare but he got hurt so we started Kidd. Like I said before, Woodson did because of injuries.

So why didn't he start another big like KT or Sheed or KMart later???

He did...
He started Camby and Tyson together until Camby got hurt and he started Kmart in our 2nd to last playoff game to try to fix us getting out rebounded by Indiana.
KT even started some games also but he was always subbed after a short time

Jason Kidd started from day one...You are talking about what happened at the end of the season..How does that illustrate a season long philosophy???

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nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

Pretty much (and i'm not even an MDA guy).

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

Call me crazy but some guys actually coach to what best suits their roster....

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holfresh wrote:Thanks for nothing??...I'll thank him for 18-6, made the playoffs then a 54 win season which took us to the 2nd round...

no you need to thank melo, who carried the team to that 18-6 mark where he was name player of the wk twice, and player of the month..

then you can thank kidd, kurt thomas. and rasheed for helping us get to 54 wins..

Thank the boston celtics for having a depleted roster cause we surley would have lost that series if rondo was healthy and you know it..cmon man kg out rebounded the entire starting 5 by himself..

Say what you want, we saw the best results in over a decade under Woodson...

We're also seeing a sh***y season under him too. Does that mean he get all the blame? No. He did a GREAT job last season but I wouldn't "thank" only him for it. So many other factors went into it. Just like this season isn't entirely his fault though he should take some blame.

I agree, but the thread said thanks for Nothing??...You can never heap blame in one place, there are always many factors...That said, a 54 win season in the first full year on the job, is a 54 win season...

I think we as fans tend to look at the most recent body of work sometimes. I'm not saying that's definitely what the OP did but it's a possibility and it does happen. Woodys just made several head scratching decisions this season and it's frustrating.

Woodson is not a great coach, he is ok...We can certainly do worse and probably will...

No you really can't do worse. Name a worse coach. And before you say Dantoni, consider that Dantoni at least knew that ball movement was essential to an offense. As the ESPN poll indicates Woodson is a bottom of the barrel coach, the only two HC's ranked lower than him are coaches with far less to work with on their rosters.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..But consider this, MDA coached teams has given up the most 130 pts games the last 5 years..18-24 turned into 18--6 to make the playoffs is the poll I'm most concerned about...

Woodson had been stressing his desire to go big for the majority of the season. He started Bargs with Tyson until injury struck and he doesn't even start Prigs with Felton anymore cause he went back to a big lineup - one similar to what we would've started last season with had Amare not gotten hurt and forced him to start Kidd with Felton.

Well it wasn't working as it did last season was it?? the point of the Prigs starting was??, ball movement..

He didn't start Pablo cause he wanted to, he started him cause of injuries. If starting Pablo results in ball movement, as you seem to be saying, and Woodsons not starting him, how does that translate to Woodson wanting ball movement like you stated 2 posts above?

Yes or No..Is it your contention that Woodson didn't start Kidd or Prigs because of ball movement???..And if Prigs doesn't start then Woodson doesn't want ball movement???.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..

^ I'm saying that part isn't completely true since Woodsons been saying for most of the season that he wants to go big

Asked Woody why Pablo doesnt start when he usually helps NYK get back 2 last yr's principles. "The East is big, man." Cites need to match up

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/410441202920882176

So does going big equate not wanting ball movement???

Are you gonna keep trying to take everything literal to try to discredit me or actually read my post? You're saying Woodson started prigs with Felton for ball movement and I'm saying he only started prigs cause injuries forced him to. Ball movement and a nice winning streak came of it but it's not like we had all our guys healthy and Woody said "im gonna start Pablo to get the ball moving".

But the philosophy dates back to last year...

Yes. Back to when we started Kidd at the beginning of last season. We were gonna start Amare but he got hurt so we started Kidd. Like I said before, Woodson did because of injuries.

So why didn't he start another big like KT or Sheed or KMart later???

He did...
He started Camby and Tyson together until Camby got hurt and he started Kmart in our 2nd to last playoff game to try to fix us getting out rebounded by Indiana.
KT even started some games also but he was always subbed after a short time

Jason Kidd started from day one...You are talking about what happened at the end of the season..How does that illustrate a season long philosophy???

So...you're just gonna keep taking this disagreement everywhere until you land on a point where you "win"? You're the one who brought up anything about a philosophy. I said that Woodson started Prigs cause he wanted ball movement. I'm saying had it not been for injuries he never would have started him in the first place. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's not about winning at all, my point was to illustrate that Woodson wanted ball movement all along and I showed where he made the moves to make it happen since last year...But you are saying because he wanted a big line up he didn't want ball movement??...One thing does not equate the other...

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nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

Pretty much (and i'm not even an MDA guy).

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

Call me crazy but some guys actually coach to what best suits their roster....

that's not just crazy it's stupid

Pat Riley, Doc and Pop have changed their coaching styles and philosophy over the years to suit their rosters...They must be stupid...History have a place for people unwilling to change...

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holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

Pretty much (and i'm not even an MDA guy).

It's not just the players who resort to bad habits when things get ugly

Call me crazy but some guys actually coach to what best suits their roster....

So this season's roster is best suited to go 1 on 1 most plays and switch everything on defense?

Wow, you are better than that bro...

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of people who don't know ish bashing MDA anytime we talk about Woodson!!! Woodson was NOT responsible for that 18-6 and he clearly wasn't the architect of the small ball they played last year. If anyone paid a lick of attention to what Woodson has done as a coach they'd know he's garbage. Woody's plays don't lead to high % shots. He makes things easy for opposing defenses. The style this team played last year was counter to everything Woodson has ever done and he abandoned that style in the playoffs and went back to what he had always done. ISO BALL.

In the playoffs we all saw what his idea of BB was. He was PUTRID when he tried to come up with any adjustments and was thoroughly out coached. He's been AWFUL coming up with any schemes to win games and has been the worst coach in using Melo to close out games. His defense is a fraud and he has no offense to speak of. Dude just rode a hot shooting team or hot Melo to some win streaks but he had NOTHING to do with it. If you believe he did explain the specific offensive plays he came up with that consistently led to good BB! This team under Woodson has played simplistic and low IQ BB. It's a reflection on him and his weak BB mind.

preach on brother

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holfresh wrote:Thanks for nothing??...I'll thank him for 18-6, made the playoffs then a 54 win season which took us to the 2nd round...

no you need to thank melo, who carried the team to that 18-6 mark where he was name player of the wk twice, and player of the month..

then you can thank kidd, kurt thomas. and rasheed for helping us get to 54 wins..

Thank the boston celtics for having a depleted roster cause we surley would have lost that series if rondo was healthy and you know it..cmon man kg out rebounded the entire starting 5 by himself..

Say what you want, we saw the best results in over a decade under Woodson...

We're also seeing a sh***y season under him too. Does that mean he get all the blame? No. He did a GREAT job last season but I wouldn't "thank" only him for it. So many other factors went into it. Just like this season isn't entirely his fault though he should take some blame.

I agree, but the thread said thanks for Nothing??...You can never heap blame in one place, there are always many factors...That said, a 54 win season in the first full year on the job, is a 54 win season...

I think we as fans tend to look at the most recent body of work sometimes. I'm not saying that's definitely what the OP did but it's a possibility and it does happen. Woodys just made several head scratching decisions this season and it's frustrating.

Woodson is not a great coach, he is ok...We can certainly do worse and probably will...

No you really can't do worse. Name a worse coach. And before you say Dantoni, consider that Dantoni at least knew that ball movement was essential to an offense. As the ESPN poll indicates Woodson is a bottom of the barrel coach, the only two HC's ranked lower than him are coaches with far less to work with on their rosters.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..But consider this, MDA coached teams has given up the most 130 pts games the last 5 years..18-24 turned into 18--6 to make the playoffs is the poll I'm most concerned about...

Woodson had been stressing his desire to go big for the majority of the season. He started Bargs with Tyson until injury struck and he doesn't even start Prigs with Felton anymore cause he went back to a big lineup - one similar to what we would've started last season with had Amare not gotten hurt and forced him to start Kidd with Felton.

Well it wasn't working as it did last season was it?? the point of the Prigs starting was??, ball movement..

He didn't start Pablo cause he wanted to, he started him cause of injuries. If starting Pablo results in ball movement, as you seem to be saying, and Woodsons not starting him, how does that translate to Woodson wanting ball movement like you stated 2 posts above?

Yes or No..Is it your contention that Woodson didn't start Kidd or Prigs because of ball movement???..And if Prigs doesn't start then Woodson doesn't want ball movement???.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..

^ I'm saying that part isn't completely true since Woodsons been saying for most of the season that he wants to go big

Asked Woody why Pablo doesnt start when he usually helps NYK get back 2 last yr's principles. "The East is big, man." Cites need to match up

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/410441202920882176

So does going big equate not wanting ball movement???

Are you gonna keep trying to take everything literal to try to discredit me or actually read my post? You're saying Woodson started prigs with Felton for ball movement and I'm saying he only started prigs cause injuries forced him to. Ball movement and a nice winning streak came of it but it's not like we had all our guys healthy and Woody said "im gonna start Pablo to get the ball moving".

But the philosophy dates back to last year...

Yes. Back to when we started Kidd at the beginning of last season. We were gonna start Amare but he got hurt so we started Kidd. Like I said before, Woodson did because of injuries.

So why didn't he start another big like KT or Sheed or KMart later???

He did...
He started Camby and Tyson together until Camby got hurt and he started Kmart in our 2nd to last playoff game to try to fix us getting out rebounded by Indiana.
KT even started some games also but he was always subbed after a short time

Jason Kidd started from day one...You are talking about what happened at the end of the season..How does that illustrate a season long philosophy???

So...you're just gonna keep taking this disagreement everywhere until you land on a point where you "win"? You're the one who brought up anything about a philosophy. I said that Woodson started Prigs cause he wanted ball movement. I'm saying had it not been for injuries he never would have started him in the first place. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's not about winning at all, my point was to illustrate that Woodson wanted ball movement all along and I showed where he made the moves to make it happen since last year...But you are saying because he wanted a big line up he didn't want ball movement??...One thing does not equate the other...

See thats putting words in my mouth. I just realized that I had a typo on my post prior to this so I'll just say it again. The original point YOU made was that Woodson started Prigs for ball movement. I'm saying he did it because there were injuries. The rest of it is you putting words in my mouth.

Intially I was talking to Dagger when u jumped in...So I wasn't even talking to you to put words in your mouth..Again, My point was that Woodson always wanted ball movement, I said this by pointing out he started Prigs..I don't care why he did it because of injuries or not, it's been his pholosophy for well over a year when he started JKidd from the beginning of last season...I'm not sure how else to put it...

You saying that I believe that since Woodson wanted a big lineup he must not want ball movement is putting words in my mouth seeing as how I didn't say that. The rest of this is us going in circles so we'll have to agree to disagree.

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holfresh wrote:Thanks for nothing??...I'll thank him for 18-6, made the playoffs then a 54 win season which took us to the 2nd round...

no you need to thank melo, who carried the team to that 18-6 mark where he was name player of the wk twice, and player of the month..

then you can thank kidd, kurt thomas. and rasheed for helping us get to 54 wins..

Thank the boston celtics for having a depleted roster cause we surley would have lost that series if rondo was healthy and you know it..cmon man kg out rebounded the entire starting 5 by himself..

Say what you want, we saw the best results in over a decade under Woodson...

We're also seeing a sh***y season under him too. Does that mean he get all the blame? No. He did a GREAT job last season but I wouldn't "thank" only him for it. So many other factors went into it. Just like this season isn't entirely his fault though he should take some blame.

I agree, but the thread said thanks for Nothing??...You can never heap blame in one place, there are always many factors...That said, a 54 win season in the first full year on the job, is a 54 win season...

I think we as fans tend to look at the most recent body of work sometimes. I'm not saying that's definitely what the OP did but it's a possibility and it does happen. Woodys just made several head scratching decisions this season and it's frustrating.

Woodson is not a great coach, he is ok...We can certainly do worse and probably will...

No you really can't do worse. Name a worse coach. And before you say Dantoni, consider that Dantoni at least knew that ball movement was essential to an offense. As the ESPN poll indicates Woodson is a bottom of the barrel coach, the only two HC's ranked lower than him are coaches with far less to work with on their rosters.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..But consider this, MDA coached teams has given up the most 130 pts games the last 5 years..18-24 turned into 18--6 to make the playoffs is the poll I'm most concerned about...

Woodson had been stressing his desire to go big for the majority of the season. He started Bargs with Tyson until injury struck and he doesn't even start Prigs with Felton anymore cause he went back to a big lineup - one similar to what we would've started last season with had Amare not gotten hurt and forced him to start Kidd with Felton.

Well it wasn't working as it did last season was it?? the point of the Prigs starting was??, ball movement..

He didn't start Pablo cause he wanted to, he started him cause of injuries. If starting Pablo results in ball movement, as you seem to be saying, and Woodsons not starting him, how does that translate to Woodson wanting ball movement like you stated 2 posts above?

Yes or No..Is it your contention that Woodson didn't start Kidd or Prigs because of ball movement???..And if Prigs doesn't start then Woodson doesn't want ball movement???.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..

^ I'm saying that part isn't completely true since Woodsons been saying for most of the season that he wants to go big

Asked Woody why Pablo doesnt start when he usually helps NYK get back 2 last yr's principles. "The East is big, man." Cites need to match up

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/410441202920882176

So does going big equate not wanting ball movement???

Are you gonna keep trying to take everything literal to try to discredit me or actually read my post? You're saying Woodson started prigs with Felton for ball movement and I'm saying he only started prigs cause injuries forced him to. Ball movement and a nice winning streak came of it but it's not like we had all our guys healthy and Woody said "im gonna start Pablo to get the ball moving".

But the philosophy dates back to last year...

Yes. Back to when we started Kidd at the beginning of last season. We were gonna start Amare but he got hurt so we started Kidd. Like I said before, Woodson did because of injuries.

So why didn't he start another big like KT or Sheed or KMart later???

He did...
He started Camby and Tyson together until Camby got hurt and he started Kmart in our 2nd to last playoff game to try to fix us getting out rebounded by Indiana.
KT even started some games also but he was always subbed after a short time

Jason Kidd started from day one...You are talking about what happened at the end of the season..How does that illustrate a season long philosophy???

So...you're just gonna keep taking this disagreement everywhere until you land on a point where you "win"? You're the one who brought up anything about a philosophy. I said that Woodson started Prigs cause he wanted ball movement. I'm saying had it not been for injuries he never would have started him in the first place. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's not about winning at all, my point was to illustrate that Woodson wanted ball movement all along and I showed where he made the moves to make it happen since last year...But you are saying because he wanted a big line up he didn't want ball movement??...One thing does not equate the other...

See thats putting words in my mouth. I just realized that I had a typo on my post prior to this so I'll just say it again. The original point YOU made was that Woodson started Prigs for ball movement. I'm saying he did it because there were injuries. The rest of it is you putting words in my mouth.

Intially I was talking to Dagger when u jumped in...So I wasn't even talking to you to put words in your mouth..Again, My point was that Woodson always wanted ball movement, I said this by pointing out he started Prigs..I don't care why he did it because of injuries or not, it's been his pholosophy for well over a year when he started JKidd from the beginning of last season...I'm not sure how else to put it...

You saying that I believe that since Woodson wanted a big lineup he must not want ball movement is putting words in my mouth seeing as how I didn't say that. The rest of this is us going in circles so we'll have to agree to disagree.

No, what saying is going big does not mean u don't want ball movement...

But you are saying because he wanted a big line up he didn't want ball movement??

I did not say that.

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knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Thanks for nothing??...I'll thank him for 18-6, made the playoffs then a 54 win season which took us to the 2nd round...

no you need to thank melo, who carried the team to that 18-6 mark where he was name player of the wk twice, and player of the month..

then you can thank kidd, kurt thomas. and rasheed for helping us get to 54 wins..

Thank the boston celtics for having a depleted roster cause we surley would have lost that series if rondo was healthy and you know it..cmon man kg out rebounded the entire starting 5 by himself..

Say what you want, we saw the best results in over a decade under Woodson...

We're also seeing a sh***y season under him too. Does that mean he get all the blame? No. He did a GREAT job last season but I wouldn't "thank" only him for it. So many other factors went into it. Just like this season isn't entirely his fault though he should take some blame.

I agree, but the thread said thanks for Nothing??...You can never heap blame in one place, there are always many factors...That said, a 54 win season in the first full year on the job, is a 54 win season...

I think we as fans tend to look at the most recent body of work sometimes. I'm not saying that's definitely what the OP did but it's a possibility and it does happen. Woodys just made several head scratching decisions this season and it's frustrating.

Woodson is not a great coach, he is ok...We can certainly do worse and probably will...

No you really can't do worse. Name a worse coach. And before you say Dantoni, consider that Dantoni at least knew that ball movement was essential to an offense. As the ESPN poll indicates Woodson is a bottom of the barrel coach, the only two HC's ranked lower than him are coaches with far less to work with on their rosters.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..But consider this, MDA coached teams has given up the most 130 pts games the last 5 years..18-24 turned into 18--6 to make the playoffs is the poll I'm most concerned about...

Woodson had been stressing his desire to go big for the majority of the season. He started Bargs with Tyson until injury struck and he doesn't even start Prigs with Felton anymore cause he went back to a big lineup - one similar to what we would've started last season with had Amare not gotten hurt and forced him to start Kidd with Felton.

Well it wasn't working as it did last season was it?? the point of the Prigs starting was??, ball movement..

He didn't start Pablo cause he wanted to, he started him cause of injuries. If starting Pablo results in ball movement, as you seem to be saying, and Woodsons not starting him, how does that translate to Woodson wanting ball movement like you stated 2 posts above?

Yes or No..Is it your contention that Woodson didn't start Kidd or Prigs because of ball movement???..And if Prigs doesn't start then Woodson doesn't want ball movement???.

Woodson says the same thing about ball movement too, it's the reason he starts Prigs with Felton..

^ I'm saying that part isn't completely true since Woodsons been saying for most of the season that he wants to go big

Asked Woody why Pablo doesnt start when he usually helps NYK get back 2 last yr's principles. "The East is big, man." Cites need to match up

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/410441202920882176

So does going big equate not wanting ball movement???

Are you gonna keep trying to take everything literal to try to discredit me or actually read my post? You're saying Woodson started prigs with Felton for ball movement and I'm saying he only started prigs cause injuries forced him to. Ball movement and a nice winning streak came of it but it's not like we had all our guys healthy and Woody said "im gonna start Pablo to get the ball moving".

But the philosophy dates back to last year...

Yes. Back to when we started Kidd at the beginning of last season. We were gonna start Amare but he got hurt so we started Kidd. Like I said before, Woodson did because of injuries.

So why didn't he start another big like KT or Sheed or KMart later???

He did...
He started Camby and Tyson together until Camby got hurt and he started Kmart in our 2nd to last playoff game to try to fix us getting out rebounded by Indiana.
KT even started some games also but he was always subbed after a short time

Jason Kidd started from day one...You are talking about what happened at the end of the season..How does that illustrate a season long philosophy???

So...you're just gonna keep taking this disagreement everywhere until you land on a point where you "win"? You're the one who brought up anything about a philosophy. I said that Woodson started Prigs cause he wanted ball movement. I'm saying had it not been for injuries he never would have started him in the first place. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's not about winning at all, my point was to illustrate that Woodson wanted ball movement all along and I showed where he made the moves to make it happen since last year...But you are saying because he wanted a big line up he didn't want ball movement??...One thing does not equate the other...

See thats putting words in my mouth. I just realized that I had a typo on my post prior to this so I'll just say it again. The original point YOU made was that Woodson started Prigs for ball movement. I'm saying he did it because there were injuries. The rest of it is you putting words in my mouth.

Intially I was talking to Dagger when u jumped in...So I wasn't even talking to you to put words in your mouth..Again, My point was that Woodson always wanted ball movement, I said this by pointing out he started Prigs..I don't care why he did it because of injuries or not, it's been his pholosophy for well over a year when he started JKidd from the beginning of last season...I'm not sure how else to put it...

You saying that I believe that since Woodson wanted a big lineup he must not want ball movement is putting words in my mouth seeing as how I didn't say that. The rest of this is us going in circles so we'll have to agree to disagree.

No, what saying is going big does not mean u don't want ball movement...

Thats not what I have a problem with. I actually agree with it. What I have a problem with is this:

But you are saying because he wanted a big line up he didn't want ball movement??

I did not say that.

So then what are you saying???..Woody went with Prig to get back to what worked last year, but U don't want to credit him on wanting ball movement..Ok, you can have that opinion...