I give Phil Jackson all the credit in the world. But remember he also had the best players in the world to play for him. We have no Michael Jordan, or Pipen or Kobe or Shaq to play for the Knicks. If Phil thinks he can run this team from a far he better think again.
Let's look 3 years down the road and see what the Knicks will be. In order for Phil to win he must get 2 of the best players on the planet. Do you see that happening. The only way would be if we trade for some 1st round picks but wait!! No on will give us a first round pick because our players are that bad. The only way would be if we tank next season and get the 1st or 2nd pick and if it's a great draft it may happen. We can forget LeBron he just ain't coming to New York.
Phil says we need to get some talent in here and I agree, but how?? This will be Phil Jacksons greatest test as a basketball leader. He needs to coach next season then put in a coach. He needs to first hand get into their minds their heads their brains. Phil must accept the fact that not everyone can play in New York. The pressure and night life is big.
Phil Jackson you have a big challenge on your hands. Can you do it?? Remember you only did it with the best players on the planet.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I give Phil Jackson all the credit in the world. But remember he also had the best players in the world to play for him. We have no Michael Jordan, or Pipen or Kobe or Shaq to play for the Knicks. If Phil thinks he can run this team from a far he better think again.
Let's look 3 years down the road and see what the Knicks will be. In order for Phil to win he must get 2 of the best players on the planet. Do you see that happening. The only way would be if we trade for some 1st round picks but wait!! No on will give us a first round pick because our players are that bad. The only way would be if we tank next season and get the 1st or 2nd pick and if it's a great draft it may happen. We can forget LeBron he just ain't coming to New York.
Phil says we need to get some talent in here and I agree, but how?? This will be Phil Jacksons greatest test as a basketball leader. He needs to coach next season then put in a coach. He needs to first hand get into their minds their heads their brains. Phil must accept the fact that not everyone can play in New York. The pressure and night life is big.
Phil Jackson you have a big challenge on your hands. Can you do it?? Remember you only did it with the best players on the planet.

I don't think we necessarily need stars to build a successful program. Remember that the Pistons were champs in 2004 without a bonafided superstar and the Mavericks were champs with just one, surrounded by a group of geriatrics. Moving forward, I think we need to look to acquire a team with guys like Aaron Afflalo, Danilo Gallinari, Greg Monroe, Jameer Nelson, Brandon Knight, OJ Mayo, etc; guys who can be quasi-all-stars on any given night.

mreinman wrote:Kobe did it without Shaq and Kobe was everything that PJax hates, yet they made it work though very tenuously

Papabear Says

You forgot Pau Gasol, and Bynum in his prime.

mreinman wrote:

Papabear wrote:

mreinman wrote:Kobe did it without Shaq and Kobe was everything that PJax hates, yet they made it work though very tenuously

Papabear Says

You forgot Pau Gasol, and Bynum in his prime.

Yes but Jackson got Bynum to play well. Who else did?

Gasol was even more valuable than Kobe in some ways - He was phenomenal those years and off the charts in efficiency (which kobe was not)

Gasol played that way because of Phil.

Papabear Says

Gasol was playing great before he was traded to the Lakers. Thats why they wanted him so badly. Listen I'm not knocking Phil Jackson. It's just that he had very good tools and players to work with. For example when Jordan left Chicago to play baseball what happened?? Phil got no championship ring until Michael Jordan came back. Right or Wrong? So he needed superstars to play for him in order to get a championship. I just have a problem with us getting those pieces unless Melo stays and we get another superstar with great players around them.

Papabear wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Papabear wrote:

mreinman wrote:Kobe did it without Shaq and Kobe was everything that PJax hates, yet they made it work though very tenuously

Papabear Says

You forgot Pau Gasol, and Bynum in his prime.

Yes but Jackson got Bynum to play well. Who else did?

Gasol was even more valuable than Kobe in some ways - He was phenomenal those years and off the charts in efficiency (which kobe was not)

Gasol played that way because of Phil.

Papabear Says

Gasol was playing great before he was traded to the Lakers. Thats why they wanted him so badly. Listen I'm not knocking Phil Jackson. It's just that he had very good tools and players to work with. For example when Jordan left Chicago to play baseball what happened?? Phil got no championship ring until Michael Jordan came back. Right or Wrong? So he needed superstars to play for him in order to get a championship. I just have a problem with us getting those pieces unless Melo stays and we get another superstar with great players around them.

Thats a great example. When Jordan was out, aside from an awful call by Hugh Hollins the Bulls were favorites to beat houston in the finals. But lucky for us, he effed up that call.

He won in the CBA, didn't he? Notion that he's only great cause of his roster is bit unfair.