NumberTwoPencil wrote:...lets be real, amare, carmelo on the front line is just no defense...

Okay, so get rid of those guys or find a coach who make them play defense. I agree, Bazemore and Co. aren't great players but . . . MDA is doing more with less than Woodson. At the least, MDA is making, oh, Bazemore a tradable player and Woodson is making Shumpert untradable.

As weak as the front line is, defensively, the back court is even worse....Laker guards were blowing by Prigs and Felton as if they were wearing skates....One of the most pathetic defensive displays I've seen in a long time....

-Seth Rosenthal

nixluva - let it go.

Baaaaaaaaaaad effing game.

No Kobe, No Pau, No Nash. Some guy named Henry. Unbelievable. Believe it.

I'm tired of Woody Fire. He looks and sounds like the walking dead already. RIP already.

51 points. Holeeeeeeeeee sheet.

So....could we maybe make this up by beating GState by 30 points?

W. Johnson
J. Hill F
C. Kaman
J. Meeks
K. Marshall
N. Young
K. Bazemore
R. Kelly
X. Henry
R. Sacre
M. Brooks

Woody's big idea was to switch to a zone against a team that has a bunch of 3pt shooters on the floor and an offense looking to take tons of threes. He didn't try to slow the other team down and get them into a half court game by applying full court pressure and looking to go into the post on offense. This man has no clue what he's doing. This isn't about the team lacking talent, which we all know they need to improve in that area. However, you simply can't just stand there and allow your team to play listless and mindless BB. How about benching guys that aren't giving you the effort just to make a point? Dude just never really does anything that makes sense for a good coach to do.

dwiley20 wrote:we couldve been a 1/2 game out goin into today....Disgusting losses with lakers and the cavs......If Amare was healthy he would never allowed us to be out of the race....pathetic team...i dont even know if i want Melo back next year...Trade him and get some good assets back and keep Iman...Chandler Sucks in pick n roll...the only person who gives effort is Shumpert. The same one we wanted to trade.....look at the games he didnt play like the cavs.....Hardaway jr, smith, and felton are pathetic defenders who gets crossed all day by jack and waiters

Amare is not healthy?

Shump sucks.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I call BULL ISH on all this crap about Woodson not having enough talent to win. We're not talking about beating the top teams in the league every night. You guys are f'n killing me with this idea that he doesn't have enough talent to beat the worst teams in the NBA!!!! COME ON MAN! We've been losing to teams that are way below this team in terms of talent. The career production of the players we have is far above that of the teams we're losing to. Our players are simply not performing up to their capabilities as per their career avg's. They're not too old and they should be performing at a higher level than this individually and as a unit. We can't let Woodson of the hook like that. There are other coaches who have similar talent or worse and have performed at a higher level than this team. NO WAY Charlotte and Atlanta should be ahead of this team. You guys are killing me.

How come when MDA was coaching the team kept under performing for him? I call bullsh1t on the bullsh1t. The team stinks especially at guard.

Woody is gone - the next coach will have different squad - lets see what happens.

You guys kill me with this crap. Tell me the roster this team gave MDA that was built to play the way he wanted and how long did they give him that kind of roster? MDA and Woody have not really had the same exact teams to coach save for that 1st 24 game stint when Woody took over for MDA. I can go over the entire MDA tenure here and you're not going to find a roster that is as good as the one Woody has had the last 2 seasons here. Also lets not get too carried away about the fact that Woody was the coach when they closed his 1st season 18-6. That was not due to some amazing coaching changes Woody instituted. That was just dumb luck on his part that Melo got hot and the team went on a win streak to close the season. People like to make more of that than it really was.

2011-12            Games    2012-13         Games
Carmelo Anthony	   55       Carmelo         67
Tyson Chandler	   62       Tyson           66
Amar'e Stoudemire  47       Amar'e          29
Iman Shumpert      59       Iman            45
J.R. Smith         35       J.R.            80
Steve Novak        54       Steve           81
Landry Fields      66       James White     57
Jeremy Lin         35       Jason Kidd      76
Baron Davis        29       Pablo Prigioni  78
Bill Walker        32       Raymond Felton  68
Jared Jeffries     39       Chris Copeland  56
Toney Douglas      38       Ronnie Brewer   46
Josh Harrellson    37       Kurt Thomas     39
Mike Bibby         39       Marcus Camby    24
Renaldo Balkman	   14       Rasheed Wallace 21
Jerome Jordan      21       Kenyon Martin   18

MDA has proven more as a coach than Woodson ever has. MDA had his team make the WCF's with no Center and no bench. Dude had Boris Diaw in the middle. If the Knicks had given MDA a decent PG from day one there's no way he would've lost as many games in NY as he did. This team NEVER supported MDA. They gave MDA Felton for half a season and a short stint with Lin who they grabbed off the scrap heap and had no idea he'd be that good. At least Woody got a team that was tailored to his desire to have vets last year. MDA NEVER got the kind of team he would've wanted for an entire season let alone 2. When he had even a decent squad that he could run with they broke it up immediately. Besides this isn't about MDA. This is about Woodson and the job he's been doing.

Woodson has been straight GARBAGE!!! He has no clue what he wants to do on offense or defense. He has no solutions. He actually makes things worse and that's why i'm bashing him. I'm just glad we have Phil Jackson and a chance to actually build a team. Can't wait for Woodson to be gone.

I said this when dantoni was here. I liked Dantoni.... I really lost all faith in this team when carmelo sabotaged dantoni and his teamates just to get his way and knicks managment allowed it and the players kept quiet, talking out of both sides of their mouth... amare especially..

tkf wrote:

Knicks22 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I call BULL ISH on all this crap about Woodson not having enough talent to win. We're not talking about beating the top teams in the league every night. You guys are f'n killing me with this idea that he doesn't have enough talent to beat the worst teams in the NBA!!!! COME ON MAN! We've been losing to teams that are way below this team in terms of talent. The career production of the players we have is far above that of the teams we're losing to. Our players are simply not performing up to their capabilities as per their career avg's. They're not too old and they should be performing at a higher level than this individually and as a unit. We can't let Woodson of the hook like that. There are other coaches who have similar talent or worse and have performed at a higher level than this team. NO WAY Charlotte and Atlanta should be ahead of this team. You guys are killing me.

How come when MDA was coaching the team kept under performing for him? I call bullsh1t on the bullsh1t. The team stinks especially at guard.

Woody is gone - the next coach will have different squad - lets see what happens.

You guys kill me with this crap. Tell me the roster this team gave MDA that was built to play the way he wanted and how long did they give him that kind of roster? MDA and Woody have not really had the same exact teams to coach save for that 1st 24 game stint when Woody took over for MDA. I can go over the entire MDA tenure here and you're not going to find a roster that is as good as the one Woody has had the last 2 seasons here. Also lets not get too carried away about the fact that Woody was the coach when they closed his 1st season 18-6. That was not due to some amazing coaching changes Woody instituted. That was just dumb luck on his part that Melo got hot and the team went on a win streak to close the season. People like to make more of that than it really was.

2011-12            Games    2012-13         Games
Carmelo Anthony	   55       Carmelo         67
Tyson Chandler	   62       Tyson           66
Amar'e Stoudemire  47       Amar'e          29
Iman Shumpert      59       Iman            45
J.R. Smith         35       J.R.            80
Steve Novak        54       Steve           81
Landry Fields      66       James White     57
Jeremy Lin         35       Jason Kidd      76
Baron Davis        29       Pablo Prigioni  78
Bill Walker        32       Raymond Felton  68
Jared Jeffries     39       Chris Copeland  56
Toney Douglas      38       Ronnie Brewer   46
Josh Harrellson    37       Kurt Thomas     39
Mike Bibby         39       Marcus Camby    24
Renaldo Balkman	   14       Rasheed Wallace 21
Jerome Jordan      21       Kenyon Martin   18

MDA has proven more as a coach than Woodson ever has. MDA had his team make the WCF's with no Center and no bench. Dude had Boris Diaw in the middle. If the Knicks had given MDA a decent PG from day one there's no way he would've lost as many games in NY as he did. This team NEVER supported MDA. They gave MDA Felton for half a season and a short stint with Lin who they grabbed off the scrap heap and had no idea he'd be that good. At least Woody got a team that was tailored to his desire to have vets last year. MDA NEVER got the kind of team he would've wanted for an entire season let alone 2. When he had even a decent squad that he could run with they broke it up immediately. Besides this isn't about MDA. This is about Woodson and the job he's been doing.

Woodson has been straight GARBAGE!!! He has no clue what he wants to do on offense or defense. He has no solutions. He actually makes things worse and that's why i'm bashing him. I'm just glad we have Phil Jackson and a chance to actually build a team. Can't wait for Woodson to be gone.

fully agree. MDA three times the coach this guy is. Ironic - for all the rap about "no D" with MDA (wasn't Woodson his assistant in charge of D), at least MDA has a system, holds folks accountable (two things his star in NY found, of course, unacceptable). Laughed last week when Woody and Melo both quoted about how they could work in the triangle - MDA offense has similar principles, and, neither willing to adopt.

Defense is about effort and strategy. The absolute absence of either tonight is appalling. Woddy has to go - roster has serious issues, but, if your coach has neither a strategy on O (One on five isn't a strategy), and, a D strategy which everyone openly questions (switch always, and early), then what's the point.

remarkable loss - zero mental toughness or leadership on this team.

This is a good post.. and two things I want to touch on.. Carmelo didn't want to adapt to Dantoni's system, even when Dantoni went out of the way to try to make him a Point forward because carmelo wanted the ball in his hands, he complained and pouted...

Amare said when he was in phoenix that he wasn't taught defense, basically throwing dantoni under the bus.. well under a defensive coach in woodson, this dude still plays zero defense, and I am an amare fan, just keeping it real here..

this team needs a culture change more than anything..

Dolan never supported MDA the way he needed him to because as Dolan said, "after talking to PJax, I relize I know NOTHING about basketball." I'm just glad he figured out what majority of the NBA world already knew. What a douche!!!

tkf wrote:

Knicks22 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I call BULL ISH on all this crap about Woodson not having enough talent to win. We're not talking about beating the top teams in the league every night. You guys are f'n killing me with this idea that he doesn't have enough talent to beat the worst teams in the NBA!!!! COME ON MAN! We've been losing to teams that are way below this team in terms of talent. The career production of the players we have is far above that of the teams we're losing to. Our players are simply not performing up to their capabilities as per their career avg's. They're not too old and they should be performing at a higher level than this individually and as a unit. We can't let Woodson of the hook like that. There are other coaches who have similar talent or worse and have performed at a higher level than this team. NO WAY Charlotte and Atlanta should be ahead of this team. You guys are killing me.

How come when MDA was coaching the team kept under performing for him? I call bullsh1t on the bullsh1t. The team stinks especially at guard.

Woody is gone - the next coach will have different squad - lets see what happens.

You guys kill me with this crap. Tell me the roster this team gave MDA that was built to play the way he wanted and how long did they give him that kind of roster? MDA and Woody have not really had the same exact teams to coach save for that 1st 24 game stint when Woody took over for MDA. I can go over the entire MDA tenure here and you're not going to find a roster that is as good as the one Woody has had the last 2 seasons here. Also lets not get too carried away about the fact that Woody was the coach when they closed his 1st season 18-6. That was not due to some amazing coaching changes Woody instituted. That was just dumb luck on his part that Melo got hot and the team went on a win streak to close the season. People like to make more of that than it really was.

2011-12            Games    2012-13         Games
Carmelo Anthony	   55       Carmelo         67
Tyson Chandler	   62       Tyson           66
Amar'e Stoudemire  47       Amar'e          29
Iman Shumpert      59       Iman            45
J.R. Smith         35       J.R.            80
Steve Novak        54       Steve           81
Landry Fields      66       James White     57
Jeremy Lin         35       Jason Kidd      76
Baron Davis        29       Pablo Prigioni  78
Bill Walker        32       Raymond Felton  68
Jared Jeffries     39       Chris Copeland  56
Toney Douglas      38       Ronnie Brewer   46
Josh Harrellson    37       Kurt Thomas     39
Mike Bibby         39       Marcus Camby    24
Renaldo Balkman	   14       Rasheed Wallace 21
Jerome Jordan      21       Kenyon Martin   18

MDA has proven more as a coach than Woodson ever has. MDA had his team make the WCF's with no Center and no bench. Dude had Boris Diaw in the middle. If the Knicks had given MDA a decent PG from day one there's no way he would've lost as many games in NY as he did. This team NEVER supported MDA. They gave MDA Felton for half a season and a short stint with Lin who they grabbed off the scrap heap and had no idea he'd be that good. At least Woody got a team that was tailored to his desire to have vets last year. MDA NEVER got the kind of team he would've wanted for an entire season let alone 2. When he had even a decent squad that he could run with they broke it up immediately. Besides this isn't about MDA. This is about Woodson and the job he's been doing.

Woodson has been straight GARBAGE!!! He has no clue what he wants to do on offense or defense. He has no solutions. He actually makes things worse and that's why i'm bashing him. I'm just glad we have Phil Jackson and a chance to actually build a team. Can't wait for Woodson to be gone.

fully agree. MDA three times the coach this guy is. Ironic - for all the rap about "no D" with MDA (wasn't Woodson his assistant in charge of D), at least MDA has a system, holds folks accountable (two things his star in NY found, of course, unacceptable). Laughed last week when Woody and Melo both quoted about how they could work in the triangle - MDA offense has similar principles, and, neither willing to adopt.

Defense is about effort and strategy. The absolute absence of either tonight is appalling. Woddy has to go - roster has serious issues, but, if your coach has neither a strategy on O (One on five isn't a strategy), and, a D strategy which everyone openly questions (switch always, and early), then what's the point.

remarkable loss - zero mental toughness or leadership on this team.

This is a good post.. and two things I want to touch on.. Carmelo didn't want to adapt to Dantoni's system, even when Dantoni went out of the way to try to make him a Point forward because carmelo wanted the ball in his hands, he complained and pouted...

Amare said when he was in phoenix that he wasn't taught defense, basically throwing dantoni under the bus.. well under a defensive coach in woodson, this dude still plays zero defense, and I am an amare fan, just keeping it real here..

this team needs a culture change more than anything..

nixluva wrote:The Lakers had ONE PG playing last night and he was a D League Pickup!!! If you're a coach and can't come up with some kind of defense to attack a team that has only 1 PG and a bunch of young guards that have rudimentary ball handling skills, you really have no excuses.

W. Johnson
J. Hill F
C. Kaman
J. Meeks
K. Marshall
N. Young
K. Bazemore
R. Kelly
X. Henry
R. Sacre
M. Brooks

Woody's big idea was to switch to a zone against a team that has a bunch of 3pt shooters on the floor and an offense looking to take tons of threes. He didn't try to slow the other team down and get them into a half court game by applying full court pressure and looking to go into the post on offense. This man has no clue what he's doing. This isn't about the team lacking talent, which we all know they need to improve in that area. However, you simply can't just stand there and allow your team to play listless and mindless BB. How about benching guys that aren't giving you the effort just to make a point? Dude just never really does anything that makes sense for a good coach to do.