4th Qtr 2:32
LAL 123 NYK 90

nixluva wrote:Woodson has more than enough talent to win with. How the hell do you lose to teams like the Bucks, Sixers, Cavs and Lakers and even try to say we don't have enough talent to win those games??? This team has lost to the true bottom feeders in this league and there's no one else to look at but the coach. You can always get better players, but you should be able to win games against teams that are just playing out the string and have no talent.

the team sucks. always with the woody agenda - he is gone. no need to keep posting about him.

This team should have been playing zone defense since the all star break and mixing up zones throughout the game with a little man to man sprinkle in. There are only two good defenders on the floor for the most part of the game.

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Woodson has more than enough talent to win with. How the hell do you lose to teams like the Bucks, Sixers, Cavs and Lakers and even try to say we don't have enough talent to win those games??? This team has lost to the true bottom feeders in this league and there's no one else to look at but the coach. You can always get better players, but you should be able to win games against teams that are just playing out the string and have no talent.

you lose to these teams because the knicks are pretty much on the same level, talent wise as these teams... can't blame woodson.. sorry...

The real question is how do you give up 51 points in a Q to a team that's tanking while your team is trying to make the playoffs?!

nixluva wrote:I call BULL ISH on all this crap about Woodson not having enough talent to win. We're not talking about beating the top teams in the league every night. You guys are f'n killing me with this idea that he doesn't have enough talent to beat the worst teams in the NBA!!!! COME ON MAN! We've been losing to teams that are way below this team in terms of talent. The career production of the players we have is far above that of the teams we're losing to. Our players are simply not performing up to their capabilities as per their career avg's. They're not too old and they should be performing at a higher level than this individually and as a unit. We can't let Woodson of the hook like that. There are other coaches who have similar talent or worse and have performed at a higher level than this team. NO WAY Charlotte and Atlanta should be ahead of this team. You guys are killing me.

How come when MDA was coaching the team kept under performing for him? I call bullsh1t on the bullsh1t. The team stinks especially at guard.

Woody is gone - the next coach will have different squad - lets see what happens.

Okay, so get rid of those guys or find a coach who make them play defense. I agree, Bazemore and Co. aren't great players but . . . MDA is doing more with less than Woodson. At the least, MDA is making, oh, Bazemore a tradable player and Woodson is making Shumpert untradable.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I call BULL ISH on all this crap about Woodson not having enough talent to win. We're not talking about beating the top teams in the league every night. You guys are f'n killing me with this idea that he doesn't have enough talent to beat the worst teams in the NBA!!!! COME ON MAN! We've been losing to teams that are way below this team in terms of talent. The career production of the players we have is far above that of the teams we're losing to. Our players are simply not performing up to their capabilities as per their career avg's. They're not too old and they should be performing at a higher level than this individually and as a unit. We can't let Woodson of the hook like that. There are other coaches who have similar talent or worse and have performed at a higher level than this team. NO WAY Charlotte and Atlanta should be ahead of this team. You guys are killing me.

How come when MDA was coaching the team kept under performing for him? I call bullsh1t on the bullsh1t. The team stinks especially at guard.

Woody is gone - the next coach will have different squad - lets see what happens.

You guys kill me with this crap. Tell me the roster this team gave MDA that was built to play the way he wanted and how long did they give him that kind of roster? MDA and Woody have not really had the same exact teams to coach save for that 1st 24 game stint when Woody took over for MDA. I can go over the entire MDA tenure here and you're not going to find a roster that is as good as the one Woody has had the last 2 seasons here. Also lets not get too carried away about the fact that Woody was the coach when they closed his 1st season 18-6. That was not due to some amazing coaching changes Woody instituted. That was just dumb luck on his part that Melo got hot and the team went on a win streak to close the season. People like to make more of that than it really was.

2011-12            Games    2012-13         Games
Carmelo Anthony	   55       Carmelo         67
Tyson Chandler	   62       Tyson           66
Amar'e Stoudemire  47       Amar'e          29
Iman Shumpert      59       Iman            45
J.R. Smith         35       J.R.            80
Steve Novak        54       Steve           81
Landry Fields      66       James White     57
Jeremy Lin         35       Jason Kidd      76
Baron Davis        29       Pablo Prigioni  78
Bill Walker        32       Raymond Felton  68
Jared Jeffries     39       Chris Copeland  56
Toney Douglas      38       Ronnie Brewer   46
Josh Harrellson    37       Kurt Thomas     39
Mike Bibby         39       Marcus Camby    24
Renaldo Balkman	   14       Rasheed Wallace 21
Jerome Jordan      21       Kenyon Martin   18

MDA has proven more as a coach than Woodson ever has. MDA had his team make the WCF's with no Center and no bench. Dude had Boris Diaw in the middle. If the Knicks had given MDA a decent PG from day one there's no way he would've lost as many games in NY as he did. This team NEVER supported MDA. They gave MDA Felton for half a season and a short stint with Lin who they grabbed off the scrap heap and had no idea he'd be that good. At least Woody got a team that was tailored to his desire to have vets last year. MDA NEVER got the kind of team he would've wanted for an entire season let alone 2. When he had even a decent squad that he could run with they broke it up immediately. Besides this isn't about MDA. This is about Woodson and the job he's been doing.

Woodson has been straight GARBAGE!!! He has no clue what he wants to do on offense or defense. He has no solutions. He actually makes things worse and that's why i'm bashing him. I'm just glad we have Phil Jackson and a chance to actually build a team. Can't wait for Woodson to be gone.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I call BULL ISH on all this crap about Woodson not having enough talent to win. We're not talking about beating the top teams in the league every night. You guys are f'n killing me with this idea that he doesn't have enough talent to beat the worst teams in the NBA!!!! COME ON MAN! We've been losing to teams that are way below this team in terms of talent. The career production of the players we have is far above that of the teams we're losing to. Our players are simply not performing up to their capabilities as per their career avg's. They're not too old and they should be performing at a higher level than this individually and as a unit. We can't let Woodson of the hook like that. There are other coaches who have similar talent or worse and have performed at a higher level than this team. NO WAY Charlotte and Atlanta should be ahead of this team. You guys are killing me.

How come when MDA was coaching the team kept under performing for him? I call bullsh1t on the bullsh1t. The team stinks especially at guard.

Woody is gone - the next coach will have different squad - lets see what happens.

You guys kill me with this crap. Tell me the roster this team gave MDA that was built to play the way he wanted and how long did they give him that kind of roster? MDA and Woody have not really had the same exact teams to coach save for that 1st 24 game stint when Woody took over for MDA. I can go over the entire MDA tenure here and you're not going to find a roster that is as good as the one Woody has had the last 2 seasons here. Also lets not get too carried away about the fact that Woody was the coach when they closed his 1st season 18-6. That was not due to some amazing coaching changes Woody instituted. That was just dumb luck on his part that Melo got hot and the team went on a win streak to close the season. People like to make more of that than it really was.

2011-12            Games    2012-13         Games
Carmelo Anthony	   55       Carmelo         67
Tyson Chandler	   62       Tyson           66
Amar'e Stoudemire  47       Amar'e          29
Iman Shumpert      59       Iman            45
J.R. Smith         35       J.R.            80
Steve Novak        54       Steve           81
Landry Fields      66       James White     57
Jeremy Lin         35       Jason Kidd      76
Baron Davis        29       Pablo Prigioni  78
Bill Walker        32       Raymond Felton  68
Jared Jeffries     39       Chris Copeland  56
Toney Douglas      38       Ronnie Brewer   46
Josh Harrellson    37       Kurt Thomas     39
Mike Bibby         39       Marcus Camby    24
Renaldo Balkman	   14       Rasheed Wallace 21
Jerome Jordan      21       Kenyon Martin   18

MDA has proven more as a coach than Woodson ever has. MDA had his team make the WCF's with no Center and no bench. Dude had Boris Diaw in the middle. If the Knicks had given MDA a decent PG from day one there's no way he would've lost as many games in NY as he did. This team NEVER supported MDA. They gave MDA Felton for half a season and a short stint with Lin who they grabbed off the scrap heap and had no idea he'd be that good. At least Woody got a team that was tailored to his desire to have vets last year. MDA NEVER got the kind of team he would've wanted for an entire season let alone 2. When he had even a decent squad that he could run with they broke it up immediately. Besides this isn't about MDA. This is about Woodson and the job he's been doing.

Woodson has been straight GARBAGE!!! He has no clue what he wants to do on offense or defense. He has no solutions. He actually makes things worse and that's why i'm bashing him. I'm just glad we have Phil Jackson and a chance to actually build a team. Can't wait for Woodson to be gone.

fully agree. MDA three times the coach this guy is. Ironic - for all the rap about "no D" with MDA (wasn't Woodson his assistant in charge of D), at least MDA has a system, holds folks accountable (two things his star in NY found, of course, unacceptable). Laughed last week when Woody and Melo both quoted about how they could work in the triangle - MDA offense has similar principles, and, neither willing to adopt.

Defense is about effort and strategy. The absolute absence of either tonight is appalling. Woddy has to go - roster has serious issues, but, if your coach has neither a strategy on O (One on five isn't a strategy), and, a D strategy which everyone openly questions (switch always, and early), then what's the point.

remarkable loss - zero mental toughness or leadership on this team.

yellowboy90 wrote:A lot of it is on Woodson but he doesn't have enough defensive talent to win with. Any team can get an open shot if they run the high PnR. If it doesn't lead to a layup it leads to the defense over helping and rotating trying to get to the man shooting the open 3. If the d does stop the three the offensive player pump fakes and goes by the rotation to break down the D once again to lead to an open shot.

This team should have been playing zone defense since the all star break and mixing up zones throughout the game with a little man to man sprinkle in. There are only two good defenders on the floor for the most part of the game.

Whats amazing to me is the fact that these players still do not know how to defend the PNR. The players don't know what to do. Should we switch? Help and recover? They are always caught in between and give open shots. After the offense scores, you can see the players (Stat, JR, Chandler, Felton) bicker with each other and seem confused. That aspect of the game seems to be on Woodson. If we would set one principle (Trap all high PNR's) then there wouldn't be any confusion....