I'm willing to live with a 2 year $10 mil for Amare. 3 years is way too long, or 1 year 6 or 7 mil. Melo should just opt in, make his big money again next year, then sign a cap friendly long term deal like the big 3 did.

Unless we can drop a lot of expiring contracts in the off-season, there is no reason nor gain by Melo signing a 1 year small deal, other than to save Dolan luxury tax money.

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?

Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/knicks.jsp

Yeah, Stat is not opting out. It just is not happening. Our best hope is that Melo changes his mind, takes the $23 mill next year, and then signs a cap-friendly deal in 2015. The Knicks should pitch him on the idea that he can stay for one more year, make a huge salary, and then have the freedom to see who the Knicks can convince to sign in 2015 before he makes his final decision as to whether to commit to the team for the rest of his career.

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?

Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/knicks.jsp

lol, and then sign a cap friendly contract in 2015

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure what cap space you are talking about, even if both Stat & Melo opt out and sign cap friendly contracts for say 1 or 2 years, we will still be over the cap for next season. 2015 summer is when cap space kicks in nicely.

I'm willing to live with a 2 year $10 mil for Amare. 3 years is way too long, or 1 year 6 or 7 mil. Melo should just opt in, make his big money again next year, then sign a cap friendly long term deal like the big 3 did.

Unless we can drop a lot of expiring contracts in the off-season, there is no reason nor gain by Melo signing a 1 year small deal, other than to save Dolan luxury tax money.

I thought he was referring to what to do when Amare expires, since Amare doesn't have an opt out (according to hoopshype).

They have him listed in their FAs and other sites have him with a ETO so maybe he does. The best deal for the knicks would be a 5 yr deal for 6-7M. A long contract seems counter productive but it would be the best one to use a stretch provision on a keep Amar'e cap hit down if they cut him. It still doesn't make sense for Amar'e to sign a lower longer deal unless he just wants a way to stay a knick.

Even if Melo(20M) and STAT(6M) lower their contracts it will only get the cap hit down to 71M. Now if they can get rid of Bargs and Felton then they have a little something to play around with but without any real FAs to go get. The best thing would to try to work out a trade for someone that fit the new direction of the Knicks.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure what cap space you are talking about, even if both Stat & Melo opt out and sign cap friendly contracts for say 1 or 2 years, we will still be over the cap for next season. 2015 summer is when cap space kicks in nicely.

I'm willing to live with a 2 year $10 mil for Amare. 3 years is way too long, or 1 year 6 or 7 mil. Melo should just opt in, make his big money again next year, then sign a cap friendly long term deal like the big 3 did.

Unless we can drop a lot of expiring contracts in the off-season, there is no reason nor gain by Melo signing a 1 year small deal, other than to save Dolan luxury tax money.

Pretty much completely agree with this post.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure what cap space you are talking about, even if both Stat & Melo opt out and sign cap friendly contracts for say 1 or 2 years, we will still be over the cap for next season. 2015 summer is when cap space kicks in nicely.

I'm willing to live with a 2 year $10 mil for Amare. 3 years is way too long, or 1 year 6 or 7 mil. Melo should just opt in, make his big money again next year, then sign a cap friendly long term deal like the big 3 did.

Unless we can drop a lot of expiring contracts in the off-season, there is no reason nor gain by Melo signing a 1 year small deal, other than to save Dolan luxury tax money.

I thought he was referring to what to do when Amare expires, since Amare doesn't have an opt out (according to hoopshype).

They have him listed in their FAs and other sites have him with a ETO so maybe he does. The best deal for the knicks would be a 5 yr deal for 6-7M. A long contract seems counter productive but it would be the best one to use a stretch provision on a keep Amar'e cap hit down if they cut him. It still doesn't make sense for Amar'e to sign a lower longer deal unless he just wants a way to stay a knick.

Even if Melo(20M) and STAT(6M) lower their contracts it will only get the cap hit down to 71M. Now if they can get rid of Bargs and Felton then they have a little something to play around with but without any real FAs to go get. The best thing would to try to work out a trade for someone that fit the new direction of the Knicks.

Oh, OK.
I'd rather just get the money we owe Amare done in one year than have him taking up that much money for that many years.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure what cap space you are talking about, even if both Stat & Melo opt out and sign cap friendly contracts for say 1 or 2 years, we will still be over the cap for next season. 2015 summer is when cap space kicks in nicely.

I'm willing to live with a 2 year $10 mil for Amare. 3 years is way too long, or 1 year 6 or 7 mil. Melo should just opt in, make his big money again next year, then sign a cap friendly long term deal like the big 3 did.

Unless we can drop a lot of expiring contracts in the off-season, there is no reason nor gain by Melo signing a 1 year small deal, other than to save Dolan luxury tax money.

I thought he was referring to what to do when Amare expires, since Amare doesn't have an opt out (according to hoopshype).

They have him listed in their FAs and other sites have him with a ETO so maybe he does. The best deal for the knicks would be a 5 yr deal for 6-7M. A long contract seems counter productive but it would be the best one to use a stretch provision on a keep Amar'e cap hit down if they cut him. It still doesn't make sense for Amar'e to sign a lower longer deal unless he just wants a way to stay a knick.

Even if Melo(20M) and STAT(6M) lower their contracts it will only get the cap hit down to 71M. Now if they can get rid of Bargs and Felton then they have a little something to play around with but without any real FAs to go get. The best thing would to try to work out a trade for someone that fit the new direction of the Knicks.

Oh, OK.
I'd rather just get the money we owe Amare done in one year than have him taking up that much money for that many years.

agree. lets suck it up and not pull a ewing for glenn rice.

Papabear wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure what cap space you are talking about, even if both Stat & Melo opt out and sign cap friendly contracts for say 1 or 2 years, we will still be over the cap for next season. 2015 summer is when cap space kicks in nicely.

I'm willing to live with a 2 year $10 mil for Amare. 3 years is way too long, or 1 year 6 or 7 mil. Melo should just opt in, make his big money again next year, then sign a cap friendly long term deal like the big 3 did.

Unless we can drop a lot of expiring contracts in the off-season, there is no reason nor gain by Melo signing a 1 year small deal, other than to save Dolan luxury tax money.

I thought he was referring to what to do when Amare expires, since Amare doesn't have an opt out (according to hoopshype).

They have him listed in their FAs and other sites have him with a ETO so maybe he does. The best deal for the knicks would be a 5 yr deal for 6-7M. A long contract seems counter productive but it would be the best one to use a stretch provision on a keep Amar'e cap hit down if they cut him. It still doesn't make sense for Amar'e to sign a lower longer deal unless he just wants a way to stay a knick.

Even if Melo(20M) and STAT(6M) lower their contracts it will only get the cap hit down to 71M. Now if they can get rid of Bargs and Felton then they have a little something to play around with but without any real FAs to go get. The best thing would to try to work out a trade for someone that fit the new direction of the Knicks.

Oh, OK.
I'd rather just get the money we owe Amare done in one year than have him taking up that much money for that many years.

agree. lets suck it up and not pull a ewing for glenn rice.

Papabear Says

Then what you are saying there is really nothing we can do till 2015. That means another bad season next season.

We can try to be decent but no starphuck trades that affect the 2015 cap.

C'mon papabear! All the impatience has killed us for so many years. Do you won't to continue making these stupid moves because you are worried about next year?

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I believe that Stat have an opt out of his contract and if that is so. Can we restructure Stat to make 10 million the next 2 seasons and 5 million the third season. Melo can take a low ball figure next season and slowly build to top dollar after that. Could we then get a top player for next season and the following season?

Papabear, this scenario does not even make sense. Amare set to make $23M next year. Why would he opt out to make $25M over the next 3?

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/knicks.jsp

Papabear Says

Why do you say it doesn't make sense? He said that he wants to retire a Knick. All I am trying to do is find a way to spread out the 23 million so he can help the team. Work out a deal paying him the 23 over 2 years and guarantee him money the 3rd if he plays or not because of his knees. If that don't work then just give him the 23 million and be done with it or just trade him. We over paid him to begin with. Now if he doesn't have an opt out clause for the season coming up then this won't work.

"Amare, would you like to make $23M next year or $23M over the next 2 years?"
Amare: "Why you wasting my time?"