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How Good Is the 2015 Draft Projected to Be?
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NardDogNation
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3/18/2014  10:39 PM
I'm just curious because it's the only draft that will be concerning us.
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3/19/2014  5:49 AM
NardDogNation wrote:I'm just curious because it's the only draft that will be concerning us.

Hoping that Embild and Exum stay back one more year. My friend is a college basketball follower and says its going to be good, well see.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/

If you want to look at some prospects.

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3/19/2014  7:39 AM
why would embild and exum stay if they are projected lottery picks anyway? to be number one?
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3/19/2014  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2014  12:02 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I'm just curious because it's the only draft that will be concerning us.

Hoping that Embild and Exum stay back one more year. My friend is a college basketball follower and says its going to be good, well see.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2015/

If you want to look at some prospects.

I actually had a thread about how those two would be one hell of a dynamic duo back in January. With the Knicks sucking, I suggested that we look to move Melo to the Clippers for Griffin, send Griffin to the Nuggets and have the Nuggets give us our first round pick back (in principle). Obviously, I'd tank hard enough to position that pick for Embiid. For the second pick, I proposed using other assets from the deal to target the Cavs pick this year and then hope they sucked enough to be in position to get Exum. It was definitely a pipedream in retrospect. I suppose it doesn't hurt then that I fantasized what that duo would look like with Giannis Antedebkoumpo at the 3, Tim Hardaway Jr at the 2 and Danilo Gallinari at the 4, with Wilson Chandler as our backup forward, Timofey Mozgov as my backup 5 and Jeremy Lin as my backup PG.

Unfortunately, Exum is determined to enter this draft so we won't have a chance to get him until he becomes a free agent. There is a realistic possibility that Embiid stays another year. I read an article about how poorly equipped he is to be a pro from a mental standpoint. He allegedly had no idea of healthy eating habits, he didn't know how to drive and was described as being very "naive" about the real world. That back injury might be what hurts his stock and force him to return another season- who knows.

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3/19/2014  11:59 AM
jazz74 wrote:why would embild and exum stay if they are projected lottery picks anyway? to be number one?

Embiid actually likes college and some think he'd pull a Marcus Smart. Dante Exum seems to be committed to this draft though.

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3/19/2014  1:21 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
jazz74 wrote:why would embild and exum stay if they are projected lottery picks anyway? to be number one?

Embiid actually likes college and some think he'd pull a Marcus Smart. Dante Exum seems to be committed to this draft though.

If I were Embiid's agent, I'd tell him to leave. You never know when scouts will turn on your game. Marcus Smart would have gone #2 last year. He'll probably still go in the top 5 or 10 this year, but he definitely lost some money by staying. I have never seen Exum play, but I'm usually leery when scouts try to tout 6'6" guard as a point. Those guys usually flame out or are moved to another position.

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3/19/2014  1:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2014  1:52 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
jazz74 wrote:why would embild and exum stay if they are projected lottery picks anyway? to be number one?

Embiid actually likes college and some think he'd pull a Marcus Smart. Dante Exum seems to be committed to this draft though.

If I were Embiid's agent, I'd tell him to leave. You never know when scouts will turn on your game. Marcus Smart would have gone #2 last year. He'll probably still go in the top 5 or 10 this year, but he definitely lost some money by staying. I have never seen Exum play, but I'm usually leery when scouts try to tout 6'6" guard as a point. Those guys usually flame out or are moved to another position.

Sometimes it isn't always about maximizing your draft potential. College is an opportunity to refine one's game so I don't think it would be a bad thing for Embiid to return. How many players we could point to that would've been for the better for having gone/stayed in college longer? We got one on our team and his name is Jeremy Tyler.

As for Exum, I think the guy meets every bit of the hype. 6"6' PG's (or in his case 6"8') are en vogue at the moment and are doing pretty well for themselves (e.g. Michael Carter Williams, Shaun Livingston, Jrue Holiday, John Wall). I personally think that Exum will be the best of the bunch and could approach Anfernee Hardaway status.

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3/19/2014  2:44 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
jazz74 wrote:why would embild and exum stay if they are projected lottery picks anyway? to be number one?

Embiid actually likes college and some think he'd pull a Marcus Smart. Dante Exum seems to be committed to this draft though.

If I were Embiid's agent, I'd tell him to leave. You never know when scouts will turn on your game. Marcus Smart would have gone #2 last year. He'll probably still go in the top 5 or 10 this year, but he definitely lost some money by staying. I have never seen Exum play, but I'm usually leery when scouts try to tout 6'6" guard as a point. Those guys usually flame out or are moved to another position.

Sometimes it isn't always about maximizing your draft potential. College is an opportunity to refine one's game so I don't think it would be a bad thing for Embiid to return. How many players we could point to that would've been for the better for having gone/stayed in college longer? We got one on our team and his name is Jeremy Tyler.

As for Exum, I think the guy meets every bit of the hype. 6"6' PG's (or in his case 6"8') are en vogue at the moment and are doing pretty well for themselves (e.g. Michael Carter Williams, Shaun Livingston, Jrue Holiday, John Wall). I personally think that Exum will be the best of the bunch and could approach Anfernee Hardaway status.


John Wall and jrue Holiday aren't quite quite 6'6' While Michael Carter Williams appears to the exception to the rule, there are a list of guys whose careers never quite got on track until they shifted back to shooting guards (John Barry, Steve Smith, Mark Jaric, Jamal Crawford, Derek Anderson, Doug Christie, Walt Williams, Jalen Rose etc.) Even the two guys you listed, Anfernee Hardaway and Shaun Livingston, have been hampered by knee injuries. I thought MCW would be the exception to the rule coming out, but it's still early in his career. Like I said, I haven't seen Exum play, so I can make a judgement one way or the other.

I agree that it's good for some players to stay in college in refine their games. But that decision changes when you're leaving money on the board.Jeremy Tyler draft position wasn't nearly as locked down as Embiid's. Look at what happened to Mitch McGarry. He blew millions returning to school. Scouts are already whispering about Embiid's back and any future issues it can cause. What if he continues to have issues next year and it lowers his stock? Ultimately, it's a decision that he and his family should mak., But if I were Embiid's agent, I'd tell him to strike while iron is hot.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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3/19/2014  4:14 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
jazz74 wrote:why would embild and exum stay if they are projected lottery picks anyway? to be number one?

Embiid actually likes college and some think he'd pull a Marcus Smart. Dante Exum seems to be committed to this draft though.

If I were Embiid's agent, I'd tell him to leave. You never know when scouts will turn on your game. Marcus Smart would have gone #2 last year. He'll probably still go in the top 5 or 10 this year, but he definitely lost some money by staying. I have never seen Exum play, but I'm usually leery when scouts try to tout 6'6" guard as a point. Those guys usually flame out or are moved to another position.

Sometimes it isn't always about maximizing your draft potential. College is an opportunity to refine one's game so I don't think it would be a bad thing for Embiid to return. How many players we could point to that would've been for the better for having gone/stayed in college longer? We got one on our team and his name is Jeremy Tyler.

As for Exum, I think the guy meets every bit of the hype. 6"6' PG's (or in his case 6"8') are en vogue at the moment and are doing pretty well for themselves (e.g. Michael Carter Williams, Shaun Livingston, Jrue Holiday, John Wall). I personally think that Exum will be the best of the bunch and could approach Anfernee Hardaway status.


John Wall and jrue Holiday aren't quite quite 6'6' While Michael Carter Williams appears to the exception to the rule, there are a list of guys whose careers never quite got on track until they shifted back to shooting guards (John Barry, Steve Smith, Mark Jaric, Jamal Crawford, Derek Anderson, Doug Christie, Walt Williams, Jalen Rose etc.) Even the two guys you listed, Anfernee Hardaway and Shaun Livingston, have been hampered by knee injuries. I thought MCW would be the exception to the rule coming out, but it's still early in his career. Like I said, I haven't seen Exum play, so I can make a judgement one way or the other.

I agree that it's good for some players to stay in college in refine their games. But that decision changes when you're leaving money on the board.Jeremy Tyler draft position wasn't nearly as locked down as Embiid's. Look at what happened to Mitch McGarry. He blew millions returning to school. Scouts are already whispering about Embiid's back and any future issues it can cause. What if he continues to have issues next year and it lowers his stock? Ultimately, it's a decision that he and his family should mak., But if I were Embiid's agent, I'd tell him to strike while iron is hot.

I was using 6"6' liberally to describe all big combo guards. Jrue Holiday is a solid 6"4' and John Wall is damn near 6"5', so I thought it was appropriate to include them in the list. And I'm not disagreeing with you about big combo guards. There are more hits than misses in that respect but can't you make the argument for that in any context e.g. high school prospects, foreign prospects, etc.? As for Exum, I've only seen him play in Olympic games but DraftExpress have done a pretty good scouting report on him:

As for Embiid, I can't argue with you there either. I just don't think that sticking around another year is inherently a bad thing.

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