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3/18/2014  1:35 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1996771-espns-stephen-a-smith-carmelo-anthony-is-leaving-ny-knicks-in-free-agency

Says he is pretty sure Melo will leave after hearing from multiple sources this past week. If Melo leaves us high and dry without allowing us to do a sign and trade I will hate his guts. If he is so sure he's leaving he should have talked to management before the trade deadline to help us get some value back. He should be opting in and waiting it out to see how next year plays out, but he's going to make the same mistake again it seems. If Melo was a winner I don't see why he wouldn't relish the opportunity to play for PJAX, a guy proven to elevate "selfish" stars into transcendent players. I don't care if he leaves, but I absolutely do care whether we get assets back for him or not after his trade crippled us 4 season ago.

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3/18/2014  1:37 PM
F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.
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3/18/2014  1:42 PM
he goes, he goes..........

whaddayagonnado?

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3/18/2014  1:44 PM
TeamBall wrote:F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.

Don't question SAS too much. He knows his stuff and doesn't report this stuff if chances are it isn't true. He was the first to report LeBron and Bosh going to Miami and stuck with it while most people didn't believe it.

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3/18/2014  1:46 PM
Does anyone actually listen to this guy on a regular basis?

I do.

There's a reason they put stooges like Ryan Ruocco on with personalities like SAS. It's the vaguely pretty girl going to the bar with the fat ugly chick friend. Makes her look that much better by comparison.

SAS is a clown. A-grade, pointless bombast. He yells loud and makes lots of noise. That's great if you're into rubbernecking at accidents. Not much else.

Think Mike Fatcessa and the Maddog.

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3/18/2014  1:48 PM
jrodmc wrote:Does anyone actually listen to this guy on a regular basis?

I do.

There's a reason they put stooges like Ryan Ruocco on with personalities like SAS. It's the vaguely pretty girl going to the bar with the fat ugly chick friend. Makes her look that much better by comparison.

SAS is a clown. A-grade, pointless bombast. He yells loud and makes lots of noise. That's great if you're into rubbernecking at accidents. Not much else.

Think Mike Fatcessa and the Maddog.

I disagree with this entire post. As I implied, SAS knows his stuff. Do I agree with everything he says. Hell no. He's better than most though.

Ruocco is pretty decent too. I don't like how he submits to SAS a lot though.

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3/18/2014  1:55 PM
I don't usually pay attention to "sources", and would be shocked if Melo himself already has his mind made up. Phil still has to get acclimated, work the phones, and pitch the game plan to Melo.

If he bolts, fine, next summer's looking good for rebuild from the ground up.

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3/18/2014  1:55 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.

Don't question SAS too much. He knows his stuff and doesn't report this stuff if chances are it isn't true. He was the first to report LeBron and Bosh going to Miami and stuck with it while most people didn't believe it.


That was just me rubbing in him being wrong about Phil

The guy clearly has connections among the players and probably has spoken to Melo directly. Last I saw on first take though, he said Melo himself said he was unsure, yet Melo's "camp" all say that he's gone.

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3/18/2014  1:57 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Does anyone actually listen to this guy on a regular basis?

I do.

There's a reason they put stooges like Ryan Ruocco on with personalities like SAS. It's the vaguely pretty girl going to the bar with the fat ugly chick friend. Makes her look that much better by comparison.

SAS is a clown. A-grade, pointless bombast. He yells loud and makes lots of noise. That's great if you're into rubbernecking at accidents. Not much else.

Think Mike Fatcessa and the Maddog.

I disagree with this entire post. As I implied, SAS knows his stuff. Do I agree with everything he says. Hell no. He's better than most though.

Ruocco is pretty decent too. I don't like how he submits to SAS a lot though.

Which is my point. If you truly know your stuff, you don't need to blare it at 120dbs all the time. We get it. And you don't need an intern type to fawn at your feet continuously.

I actually heard Ryan try to disagree with him last week. His apology and flop were incredibly embarrassing. And I have to listen to SAS because 98.7FM is the only media outlet that even dares to approach being mildly pro-Knick. MSG certainly isn't. Just ask Mike Breen.

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3/18/2014  2:00 PM
TeamBall wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.

Don't question SAS too much. He knows his stuff and doesn't report this stuff if chances are it isn't true. He was the first to report LeBron and Bosh going to Miami and stuck with it while most people didn't believe it.


That was just me rubbing in him being wrong about Phil

The guy clearly has connections among the players and probably has spoken to Melo directly. Last I saw on first take though, he said Melo himself said he was unsure, yet Melo's "camp" all say that he's gone.

1) He's certainly not going to say "I'm gone" or "I'm staying."

2) You are right though. It is too early to tell. I tend to think that if a triangle offense were implemented, Melo wouldn't benefit too much because he doesn't play off the ball so well like the other stars of the past triangles did. Then again, I don't think anyone on this team except perhaps Hardaway suits the triangle. You need smart ball players 1-5, consistent shooters/passers and rebounders. I'm not so confident.

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3/18/2014  2:02 PM
Nalod wrote:he goes, he goes..........

whaddayagonnado?

this... and lets see what happens.

What are the teams who can sign him outright? Most of the teams that have cap space only have it the cost of not resigning their own core guys. Wash and Pho look like possible teams that could sign melo to a max outright. He doesnt not have a ton of options.

Also Melo isnt the only FA available. I like the Knicks chances to control this outcome, and thats all that matters to me, stay or go. Compensation.

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3/18/2014  2:09 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.

Don't question SAS too much. He knows his stuff and doesn't report this stuff if chances are it isn't true. He was the first to report LeBron and Bosh going to Miami and stuck with it while most people didn't believe it.


That was just me rubbing in him being wrong about Phil

The guy clearly has connections among the players and probably has spoken to Melo directly. Last I saw on first take though, he said Melo himself said he was unsure, yet Melo's "camp" all say that he's gone.

1) He's certainly not going to say "I'm gone" or "I'm staying."

2) You are right though. It is too early to tell. I tend to think that if a triangle offense were implemented, Melo wouldn't benefit too much because he doesn't play off the ball so well like the other stars of the past triangles did. Then again, I don't think anyone on this team except perhaps Hardaway suits the triangle. You need smart ball players 1-5, consistent shooters/passers and rebounders. I'm not so confident.


I think Melo can he just hasn't done it all the time. I don't remember all the things Phil said but he did briefly discuss some ways in which Melo can fit into a system and indirectly mentioned some things he needed to improve on. Phil seems 100% committed to having a team with certain players so if Melo's not ready change his game a bit, I can see Phil letting him go.
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3/18/2014  2:18 PM
TeamBall wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.

Don't question SAS too much. He knows his stuff and doesn't report this stuff if chances are it isn't true. He was the first to report LeBron and Bosh going to Miami and stuck with it while most people didn't believe it.


That was just me rubbing in him being wrong about Phil

The guy clearly has connections among the players and probably has spoken to Melo directly. Last I saw on first take though, he said Melo himself said he was unsure, yet Melo's "camp" all say that he's gone.

1) He's certainly not going to say "I'm gone" or "I'm staying."

2) You are right though. It is too early to tell. I tend to think that if a triangle offense were implemented, Melo wouldn't benefit too much because he doesn't play off the ball so well like the other stars of the past triangles did. Then again, I don't think anyone on this team except perhaps Hardaway suits the triangle. You need smart ball players 1-5, consistent shooters/passers and rebounders. I'm not so confident.


I think Melo can he just hasn't done it all the time. I don't remember all the things Phil said but he did briefly discuss some ways in which Melo can fit into a system and indirectly mentioned some things he needed to improve on. Phil seems 100% committed to having a team with certain players so if Melo's not ready change his game a bit, I can see Phil letting him go.
I see him resigning. Mostly because Phil takes the pressure off Melo. Melo can resign, but its not his team. Its Phils. He's here to fit in and play a role. Who in Melo's career has told him to stop shooting? did Karl? Has Woody?

Uncharted territory for both guys. Phil walked into spots with HOF stars who were the best of their generation. Now he has Melo. Melo has always thought he has to do it himself. Now he has Phil. Lets see it play out.

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3/18/2014  2:19 PM
from what I understand, Melo said he'd stay and take less if he saw a viable plan in place. you're telling me he's out the door before hearing PJax's plan? I'm sure Melo will listen and then he might stay or he might go. I wouldn't cal it certain
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3/18/2014  2:25 PM
fishmike wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:F**k Stephen A. There's some video from the First Take where he went on a tirade about how bad the Knicks are and said stop hoping for Phil "cause it aint happenin'!". This was just a few weeks ago too.

Don't question SAS too much. He knows his stuff and doesn't report this stuff if chances are it isn't true. He was the first to report LeBron and Bosh going to Miami and stuck with it while most people didn't believe it.


That was just me rubbing in him being wrong about Phil

The guy clearly has connections among the players and probably has spoken to Melo directly. Last I saw on first take though, he said Melo himself said he was unsure, yet Melo's "camp" all say that he's gone.

1) He's certainly not going to say "I'm gone" or "I'm staying."

2) You are right though. It is too early to tell. I tend to think that if a triangle offense were implemented, Melo wouldn't benefit too much because he doesn't play off the ball so well like the other stars of the past triangles did. Then again, I don't think anyone on this team except perhaps Hardaway suits the triangle. You need smart ball players 1-5, consistent shooters/passers and rebounders. I'm not so confident.


I think Melo can he just hasn't done it all the time. I don't remember all the things Phil said but he did briefly discuss some ways in which Melo can fit into a system and indirectly mentioned some things he needed to improve on. Phil seems 100% committed to having a team with certain players so if Melo's not ready change his game a bit, I can see Phil letting him go.
I see him resigning. Mostly because Phil takes the pressure off Melo. Melo can resign, but its not his team. Its Phils. He's here to fit in and play a role. Who in Melo's career has told him to stop shooting? did Karl? Has Woody?

Uncharted territory for both guys. Phil walked into spots with HOF stars who were the best of their generation. Now he has Melo. Melo has always thought he has to do it himself. Now he has Phil. Lets see it play out.


I agree it's just hard for me to see Melo wanting to waste another year before we can really get any pieces.

Phil did make sure to state that too much of the load is on Melo though. Actually, more and more people have started to question who Melo has had to help him.

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3/18/2014  2:38 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:from what I understand, Melo said he'd stay and take less if he saw a viable plan in place. you're telling me he's out the door before hearing PJax's plan? I'm sure Melo will listen and then he might stay or he might go. I wouldn't cal it certain

totally agree.

stephen a is the king of schoolgirl gossip. if i were melo and listened to phil today, i wouldn't be thinking about leaving...

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3/18/2014  2:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2014  2:41 PM
It's been said already but I'm not sure Melo fits Phil's system like Jordan and Kobe did. He isn't an elite defender like those guys were. Those guys gave 100% every play on both ends and they played well off the ball something Melo did not want to do for Dantoni. I think these are the areas Phil is referring to that needs improvement. Melo can score but does he have it in him to bring those other intangibles. Personally I don't think he does. It's not part of his make up and that's fine. We will see what Phil thinks going forward
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3/18/2014  2:40 PM
What the good coaches do is help the role players perform better. They don't have to be great in order to help. This year and in the playoffs last year our role players underachieved. If we get more out of these players this team can do a lot more than they have so far. This should be a playoff team even without any major new additions.
They can do better until 2015 and then really look to improve the roster.
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3/18/2014  2:48 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:from what I understand, Melo said he'd stay and take less if he saw a viable plan in place. you're telling me he's out the door before hearing PJax's plan? I'm sure Melo will listen and then he might stay or he might go. I wouldn't call it certain

Back to the OP; I hope it's understood that SAS's main goal in life is to sell ad time, right?

Where would Melo go, seriously if it's all about winning now and not waiting until the calvary comes?

Houston? Melo and Harden? I don't think so. Not enough basketballs. PJax is not prone to dealing with numbers sleazers like Morey.
Clips? Cap space issues, maybe? I doubt Blake is leaving and neither is CP3. Does anyone have enough money to pay all three of those?
Lakers? For what? They tried superfriends there and it didn't work. Pringles Melo 2, yeah that will happen.
Bulls? Noah and Melo play waiting for the Rose? Chemistry, much? Are you guaranteed a chip pairing Noah with Melo under Thibs? I'm not convinced.

Where exactly is he going to go and win now?

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3/18/2014  2:49 PM
first of all, he said this yesterday, secondly, he also said that he heard it from a reliable source (one that he trust within the organzation and out ) he also said he hopes the person is wrong because he heard this before phil was totally on board.

Melo's options are rebuild mode without a sign and trade in order, and the market for melo will not be that of shaq, howard, kobe lbj, because you cant just put him on any team with young players and think he's going to help you team win a championship. Melos problem isn't find a place to win a championship, it's lerning how to play to win a championship

When you put it into perspective, he has just as good a chance here to win a championship then he has going any where. If his ideal goal is to win a championship in the next yr or 2..most teams are going to have to do a sign and trade, and the ones that don't are ot contenders.. even if a takes 14 mill to play with a contender (on paper)whats to say it will work, it's like a dog chasing his tail

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