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3/12/2014  11:34 AM

The Knicks could use a little Zen, without a doubt. Not to mention a hefty dose of competence, which is something they've needed for a long time.

Enter Phil Jackson, the latest incarnation of a burning phoenix rising over Madison Square Garden to save the franchise from years of neglect, largesse and an exaggerated sense of self-importance that would be amusing if it weren't so sad.

Welcome to the next era of false hope, misspent resources and tragicomedy -- likely without the customary feel-good ending.

A league source confirmed on Wednesday that the Knicks have an agreement in principle with Jackson to become their Zen Master (and, in some nebulous form, their team president). Once it is finalized, the franchise's latest brush stroke of futility will be completed with it. This is a PR move from the jump, a repackaging and reinvention of a sports entity that has long suffered from the otherwise enviable condition of deep pockets and an inflated self-worth that has time and again been its undoing.

What will be different now? Just the main character. Add Jackson's historic name to the list of leading men who've tried and failed to extinguish the Garden's smoldering pathology. As much as Jackson might believe he's penning a new chapter to his book, "Eleven Rings," he's simply becoming the next chapter in the Knicks' futile anthology.

Larry Brown lasted one miserable year. Isiah Thomas had more staying power, owing to the mystical powers he used to lord over the Garden's emperor, James Dolan, but ultimately suffered the same fate. Donnie Walsh was next in line, and quickly learned that the way he'd successfully run a professional basketball team for 30 years wouldn't fly at the corner of 33rd and eighth.

So here comes Jackson, a two-time champion as a player for the Knicks and an 11-time champion as a coach. What little description is available at this point of Jackson's role and duties sounds about right: He'll oversee the Knicks' basketball operations, inheriting two classic company men, GM Steve Mills and assistant GM Allan Houston -- and with them, the very culture than needs to go if Jackson is to succeed.

Jackson's living arrangements and the extent of his day-to-day role have been the final sticking points in the agreement, league sources say. And that should tell you everything you need to know about why this partnership is doomed from the start.

"You have to live the job to really make an impact," a rival executive said.

It doesn't sound like Jackson, 68, is going to fully immerse himself into the tangled web that is Madison Square Garden on a full-time basis, unravel it, and start from scratch. That is what the Knicks need. That is what Jackson needs to do if he hopes to succeed.

Though he has never before served as an NBA executive, Jackson is part of the old guard in the sport -- a dying breed of basketball men who coach and/or make personnel decisions using their guts and their instincts. Larry Bird does it this way in Indiana. So does Joe Dumars in Detroit. I think you can put Danny Ainge in that category. And of course, Pat Riley.

But the difference is that all of the aforementioned live the job. Sure, they have younger, more energetic stagehands who orchestrate the day-to-day minutiae -- field the dreaded calls from agents and put out the luxury-tax fires. But you will not find any of them in a long-distance relationship with his team. They are there, watching in person, exerting their power and projecting their images on the teams they are building.

You will find Bird and Dumars scouting college games together, but always with their trusted day-to-day men -- Kevin Pritchard and George David, respectively. Younger executives watch in amazement as Bird and Dumars freely discuss their opinions of prospects. Aren't they afraid someone will steal their opinions and ideas? No; no, they're not.

Riley, soon to be 69, is out on the road too -- also with his trusted right-hand man, Adam Simon. One thing that distinguishes Riley is the importance he places on being around his team. Regardless of which college phenom is performing where, if the Heat have a home game, Riley will be there. He understands his influence and how important it is to be seen.

How will Jackson manage these demands and his desire to split his time between Southern California, Montana and New York? Will Jackson venture to the Portsmouth Invitational with Bird and Dumars next month, hunting for second-round picks on the off chance the Knicks ever have any?

That would be going all in. If Jackson doesn't, there's little reason to believe his influence will carry the weight that it should.

The one area in which Jackson could have a Riley-like influence, in theory, is free agency. The first free agent Jackson will be expected to woo is the Knicks' own Carmelo Anthony. He's an expensive emissary, but Dolan must believe the Knicks are desperate enough to keep Melo to make it worthwhile.

After that, what's Jackson's next job? The Knicks have no first-round pick (it goes to Denver from the Anthony deal) and no cap room until the summer of 2015, when they will be licking their wounds from another disappointing season. At a time when the Knicks need another Walsh-like rebuild, they are getting a caretaker who will hand out motivational books and whose job description and working conditions likely won't permit him to do much else.

Someday, perhaps Jackson will write a motivational book of his own about why this was such a mistake. I'd buy it; but I'm not buying Jackson as the Knicks' latest savior.


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24479391/enter-phil-jackson-the-knicks-latest-savior
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3/12/2014  11:58 AM
that's kind of harsh. i don't see the downside in giving this a try. Phil knows a lot more about winning basketball games than anyone the knicks currently have in the front office. I don't hear a lot of people acting like he's a savior at all. I think most people are cautiously optimistic about the signing; he's better than what we've had or what we have. And i don't think anyone would be shocked if Phil does turn out to be pretty good at this.
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3/12/2014  12:09 PM
All of the media have been campaigning against Phil taking the job, and now they are all writing their pieces about how it will fail and the Knicks are unfixable and will never get better. I would love to have seen the reaction if he'd taken the exact same post with the Lakers- it would have met with universal praise.

Its like how they all have made out Melo sucks and is a chucker, but now suddenly are pushing for him to join the Bulls and that that will make them championship contenders.

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3/12/2014  12:12 PM
Marcala12 wrote:that's kind of harsh. i don't see the downside in giving this a try. Phil knows a lot more about winning basketball games than anyone the knicks currently have in the front office. I don't hear a lot of people acting like he's a savior at all. I think most people are cautiously optimistic about the signing; he's better than what we've had or what we have. And i don't think anyone would be shocked if Phil does turn out to be pretty good at this.

I like Ken Berger, but I think the last straw for him was Dolan letting Lin walk- that Linsanity thing got him enthusiastic again for the first time in years- now he just seems to blast the knicks (who can blame him) and write homer pieces about the Lakers (seriously look at his article for the past year or so- just endless praise for the Lakers). He was great with the lockout coverage though- just seems to be in a bit of a rut with his articles.

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3/12/2014  1:18 PM
You would think the media wants the Knicks to suck all the time. People wonder why the Knicks haven't won in years, the toughest team in NY has always been the team that never takes the court.
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3/12/2014  1:52 PM
I don't see anything in the article that is outrageous. I mean, if Phil is stuck with Mills & Houston, how exactly is he in charge of anything? If he isn't around and bringing his own people in, how does he change the culture?

Is he allowed to tell Dolan that things need to be stripped down and built anew? Or does he have to change the engine mid flight like Isiah had to?

We're one year away from a 54 win season. But that lead to the lean Layden years where we were just one season removed from going to the NBA finals for how many years? Which led to the McDyess trade, which led to the H20 contract, which led to Marbury, Francis, etc. ad inifinitum!

Phil called the roster clumsy. Has he changed his mind? And if so, is it because he's on the payroll now?


And will he be allowed to speak to the media whenever he wants and speak openly?

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3/12/2014  1:58 PM
So will the fish still stink?
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3/12/2014  2:05 PM
I'm excited I think dollar bill and Clyde really helped recruit Jackson. I think the first move phil dose is fire woody. I think he should make a strong push for tibs. Also if Lebron ops out dose Jackson try to recruit lbj and melo to take 15 mil each to team up.. Also Phil was only going to take the job if melo was staying, so looks like melo is def staying...
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3/12/2014  2:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2014  2:20 PM
franco12 wrote:I don't see anything in the article that is outrageous. I mean, if Phil is stuck with Mills & Houston, how exactly is he in charge of anything? If he isn't around and bringing his own people in, how does he change the culture?

Is he allowed to tell Dolan that things need to be stripped down and built anew? Or does he have to change the engine mid flight like Isiah had to?

We're one year away from a 54 win season. But that lead to the lean Layden years where we were just one season removed from going to the NBA finals for how many years? Which led to the McDyess trade, which led to the H20 contract, which led to Marbury, Francis, etc. ad inifinitum!

Phil called the roster clumsy. Has he changed his mind? And if so, is it because he's on the payroll now?


And will he be allowed to speak to the media whenever he wants and speak openly?

Dolan has been handling the negotiations, so looking at his track record of bargaining against himself, Dolan has probably caved in on every single demand by Phil and then some!

This roster is done- so it's pretty much irrelevant what Phil said in the past- he can blow it the hell up, trade Tyson and Melo (or let him walk), Tim, Shump, whoever- only players he's stuck with are Amar'e who likely won't play much, and Felton (might be in jail) and JR (who's actually been solid since his midseason meltdown- though that could change at any time).

Phil seems to be interested in Bonn1997's metrics and all that, so I doubt he makes a big panic trade. Maybe he trades Tyson for a pick or two this summer, and either trades Melo to the Bulls for a few young players/picks, or keeps him and then targets FA's in 2015. Despite what the media are saying, we're in a good place for a rebuild (if only we hadn't squandered our picks!).

I guess what irks me about the media coverage is although i share many of their reservations, I don't remember encountering this level of vitriol and declarations that he would be a disaster in a front office job when he was linked to taking over a Seattle team, or even when he was contemplating a move to management. If he had signed with the same role with the lakers, there's no way in hell there'd be this kind of coverage despite the fact they are in pretty much the same state as the Knicks (traded picks, ageing injured stars clogging cap, inept owners son meddling etc etc)

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3/12/2014  2:18 PM
franco12 wrote:I don't see anything in the article that is outrageous. I mean, if Phil is stuck with Mills & Houston, how exactly is he in charge of anything? If he isn't around and bringing his own people in, how does he change the culture?

Is he allowed to tell Dolan that things need to be stripped down and built anew? Or does he have to change the engine mid flight like Isiah had to?

We're one year away from a 54 win season. But that lead to the lean Layden years where we were just one season removed from going to the NBA finals for how many years? Which led to the McDyess trade, which led to the H20 contract, which led to Marbury, Francis, etc. ad inifinitum!

Phil called the roster clumsy. Has he changed his mind? And if so, is it because he's on the payroll now?


And will he be allowed to speak to the media whenever he wants and speak openly?

Houston is supposed to be running things in westchester. There was a report that PJax was offended that mills was the guy to approach him about a job. Mills may quietly be reassigned. I think you will see Phil bring in his own guys.

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3/12/2014  2:23 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Also Phil was only going to take the job if melo was staying, so looks like melo is def staying...

Where did this come from?

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3/12/2014  2:40 PM
jrodmc wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Also Phil was only going to take the job if melo was staying, so looks like melo is def staying...

Where did this come from?

complete BS

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/12/2014  2:56 PM
the guys calling the pacers game last night said so. Also I know there was a article written about it I just don't know where. Melo isn't going anywhere lala said it, happy wife happy life. All the stories saying melo being recruited to chitown or la or Mia, those articles are bs. it's just media running out of drama nba stories. Melo is not going anywhere he probably will retire in orange and blue. It makes sense Phil wouldn't take the job unless melo is staying. It would be a pretty ruff first year as prez with no star. Phil needs melo, and melo likes Phil
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3/12/2014  3:19 PM
fitzfarm wrote:the guys calling the pacers game last night said so. Also I know there was a article written about it I just don't know where. Melo isn't going anywhere lala said it, happy wife happy life. All the stories saying melo being recruited to chitown or la or Mia, those articles are bs. it's just media running out of drama nba stories. Melo is not going anywhere he probably will retire in orange and blue. It makes sense Phil wouldn't take the job unless melo is staying. It would be a pretty ruff first year as prez with no star. Phil needs melo, and melo likes Phil

lala said it.
melo is not going anywhere.
it makes sense that phil won't come unless melo stays.
phil needs melo.


WOW

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/12/2014  3:39 PM
dk7th wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:the guys calling the pacers game last night said so. Also I know there was a article written about it I just don't know where. Melo isn't going anywhere lala said it, happy wife happy life. All the stories saying melo being recruited to chitown or la or Mia, those articles are bs. it's just media running out of drama nba stories. Melo is not going anywhere he probably will retire in orange and blue. It makes sense Phil wouldn't take the job unless melo is staying. It would be a pretty ruff first year as prez with no star. Phil needs melo, and melo likes Phil

lala said it.
melo is not going anywhere.
it makes sense that phil won't come unless melo stays.
phil needs melo.


WOW


What's so wow about this melo would be a fool to leave nyc, he knows it, and his wife and kids want to stay as well.. If my wife told me she wants to stay and not move from the Mecca of the world. I'm on board... Usually the wife has the final say. Like I said happy wife happy life. Also why would Phil come here with no star, he'd be in a bigger mess then we already are.
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3/12/2014  3:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2014  3:51 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:the guys calling the pacers game last night said so. Also I know there was a article written about it I just don't know where. Melo isn't going anywhere lala said it, happy wife happy life. All the stories saying melo being recruited to chitown or la or Mia, those articles are bs. it's just media running out of drama nba stories. Melo is not going anywhere he probably will retire in orange and blue. It makes sense Phil wouldn't take the job unless melo is staying. It would be a pretty ruff first year as prez with no star. Phil needs melo, and melo likes Phil

lala said it.
melo is not going anywhere.
it makes sense that phil won't come unless melo stays.
phil needs melo.


WOW


What's so wow about this melo would be a fool to leave nyc, he knows it, and his wife and kids want to stay as well.. If my wife told me she wants to stay and not move from the Mecca of the world. I'm on board... Usually the wife has the final say. Like I said happy wife happy life. Also why would Phil come here with no star, he'd be in a bigger mess then we already are.

not if the knicks lowball the shyte out of melo which is likely to happen-- does she like money more than winning? and what about him? he has proven to love money more than winning.

what do you think?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/12/2014  3:52 PM
also jackson has two rings as a new york knicks player and another 11 rings as a coach.

and you are telling me phil needs melo? how do you figure?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/12/2014  3:53 PM
dk7th wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:the guys calling the pacers game last night said so. Also I know there was a article written about it I just don't know where. Melo isn't going anywhere lala said it, happy wife happy life. All the stories saying melo being recruited to chitown or la or Mia, those articles are bs. it's just media running out of drama nba stories. Melo is not going anywhere he probably will retire in orange and blue. It makes sense Phil wouldn't take the job unless melo is staying. It would be a pretty ruff first year as prez with no star. Phil needs melo, and melo likes Phil

lala said it.
melo is not going anywhere.
it makes sense that phil won't come unless melo stays.
phil needs melo.


WOW


What's so wow about this melo would be a fool to leave nyc, he knows it, and his wife and kids want to stay as well.. If my wife told me she wants to stay and not move from the Mecca of the world. I'm on board... Usually the wife has the final say. Like I said happy wife happy life. Also why would Phil come here with no star, he'd be in a bigger mess then we already are.

not if the knicks lowball the shyte out of melo which is likely to happen-- does she like money more than winning? and what about him? he has proven to love money more than winning.

what do you think?


Lol money talks but she makes pretty good coin herself.
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3/12/2014  3:57 PM
dk7th wrote:also jackson has two rings as a new york knicks player and another 11 rings as a coach.

and you are telling me phil needs melo? how do you figure?

Because
1) Phil can't play
2) Phil don't do tanking with no stars

Do you think Melo is a star player?
Do you think Phil came here to oversee a ground-up rebuilding process?
Do you think Phil has a long track record for doing things like that?

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3/12/2014  4:15 PM
jrodmc wrote:
dk7th wrote:also jackson has two rings as a new york knicks player and another 11 rings as a coach.

and you are telling me phil needs melo? how do you figure?

Because
1) Phil can't play
2) Phil don't do tanking with no stars

Do you think Melo is a star player?
Do you think Phil came here to oversee a ground-up rebuilding process?
Do you think Phil has a long track record for doing things like that?

No way if pjax comes that he signs Melo to a max, I don't care what mrs honeynut says.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Berger Article: Phil Jackson joins knicks front office as latest savior

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