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NYY1NYK2
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3/11/2014  10:10 AM
Does that incline melo to stay?
Does he bring shaw to coach here?
Would he take a COACH/GM Role like isaiah had?
DOES HE GET COMPLETE CONTROL of the team?
Do we start running the triangle?
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3/11/2014  10:35 AM
Maybe
Maybe
NO
Yes
Who knows
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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3/11/2014  10:54 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Does that incline melo to stay?
Does he bring shaw to coach here?
Would he take a COACH/GM Role like isaiah had?
DOES HE GET COMPLETE CONTROL of the team?
Do we start running the triangle?

1. Only to the extent that it depends on what Phil Jackson wants to do. If he tells Melo that it'll take 3 to 4 years to build a contender around him then I think it would guarantee Melo leaving.

2. Depends is he gets fired in Denver; I can't imagine that we'd do any Doc Rivers-type trade to get him.

3. No way, he's not doing this to coach. If he was then there are probably 10 other, better opportunities for him.

4. I can't imagine that he would agree to come here, especially here, without it.

5. Probably not. The triangle wasn't that popular outside of Phil Jackson coached teams and I'm not aware of any current NBA or NCAA or even NBADL coaches who use it.

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3/11/2014  10:58 AM
Phil is a great coach. He is the Zen Master for a reason. His attributes go beyond Z's and o's it's like joe torre. Give him Jordan and Kobe and he can Zen away
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3/11/2014  11:05 AM
Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.
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3/11/2014  11:08 AM
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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3/11/2014  11:09 AM
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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3/11/2014  11:09 AM
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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3/11/2014  11:25 AM
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

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3/11/2014  11:27 AM
dk7th wrote:
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

I don't understand this at all. What difference could it possibly make whether or not Phil Jackson makes more money than any individual player on the team?

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3/11/2014  11:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2014  11:33 AM
Jordan made $30mil under Phil but it was a different cba & cap back then. Same with Kobe and Shaq
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3/11/2014  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2014  11:37 AM
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

Interesting. You may be right, although I kinda feel this is a move to hopefully get Melo to stay, as in 'look at this successful guy we just added to the mix to help build the team around you.' Also feel Phil wants the star in his prime -- he might feel he needs that in order to win and have success: Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Melo/? The whole focus might be to get Melo a bonafide 2nd star player and go from there. We'll see.

That's actually not a terrible plan -- I could go either way--keep Melo or break it all down and start anew. Not sure if Phil's the guy who will choose the latter.

I favor a little bit of both -- keep Melo but break down most of the rest -- trade off Chandler, hopefully JR/Felton as well, maybe Shump for a draft pick, allow Amar'e/Bargnani to expire, etc.. Re-tool with mostly young players either through the draft (difficult w/o any picks going in but absolutely make the attempt) or with some promising young, cost-effective FAs. Ride it out next year trying to remain competitive until we can clear up some cap room and then make a run at a top FA(s) in the summer of 2015.

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3/11/2014  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2014  11:36 AM
I favor both plans too but not crazy about the 2015 class. I rather be patient and wait til the 2016 class but Melo isn't getting any younger.

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3/11/2014  5:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2014  6:03 PM
When is Lebron a FA?

I see he can opt out. We probably have no chance but Lebron and Melo?

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3/11/2014  6:11 PM
dk7th wrote:
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

We shall certainly see. If jackson keeps Melo at X amount, we will get to see what someone (proven) who actually knows basketball thinks he is worth.

If he lets him go, I will respect his decision.

Should be fun to watch. In Phil I trust (for now )

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/11/2014  6:24 PM
Reports are saying Phil wants assurances that Melo is staying so....

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2014/03/phil-jackson-wants-assurance-melo-will-stay-with-knicks/

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3/11/2014  6:31 PM
well if Melo does not want to play for phil then fuk him. let him go to a team that will allow him to shoot 40 shots a game.

If Melo wants to win and play the right way then he will embrace this.

Perhaps they are trying to media blast him into signing the extension. That would be nice.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/11/2014  9:25 PM
dk7th wrote:
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

Announcer for the Pacers/Celtics game just said Phil wants Melo in NY. Said he wants insurance Melo stays before he agrees to the job. Not sure what his source is.
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3/11/2014  9:40 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

Announcer for the Pacers/Celtics game just said Phil wants Melo in NY. Said he wants insurance Melo stays before he agrees to the job. Not sure what his source is.

See 2 posts above yours

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3/11/2014  9:54 PM
OasisBU wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

Announcer for the Pacers/Celtics game just said Phil wants Melo in NY. Said he wants insurance Melo stays before he agrees to the job. Not sure what his source is.

See 2 posts above yours

Thanks. That's a lot more info then I had and much more timely.
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