Guys that HAVE to go--bad seeds or terrible players fo this team

Shumpert(why in the hell did they not take a pick from OKC???? moronic>>??) J R S,mith--hes a ****ing looney bird Felton--played out done Chandler--done hell be good still somewhere else

No one is taking Stoudemire and Bargs--atleast not yet--so if we can get some youth out of the draft--we can certainly work with it for a year.

This is the way Id go the way Id sell Melo--Im not talking about 2015 with Rondo or Love BS absolute crp lies... I want to make the team faster younger more athletci right now--change the culture in this offseason. We can make this a fun exciting team for Melo--and we can be a lot better if we forward think. If Dolan is selling starphicking--it wont Melo will read it and leave.

BRIGGS wrote:No matter what people say in the media or here--keeping Carmelo and changing the rest of the team would be the best move. If we can trade Shump and Chandler for two 1's in this draft--bring in a Patty Mills for the MLE--we can set up much better for 2015. I wouldnt even care about the W -L. With a new set of PG's bringing back Amare Bargs maybe if we can grab an Aaron Gordon out of the drfat a young PG to go with an improved THJ

Guys that HAVE to go--bad seeds or terrible players fo this team

Shumpert(why in the hell did they not take a pick from OKC???? moronic>>??) J R S,mith--hes a ****ing looney bird Felton--played out done Chandler--done hell be good still somewhere else

No one is taking Stoudemire and Bargs--atleast not yet--so if we can get some youth out of the draft--we can certainly work with it for a year.

This is the way Id go the way Id sell Melo--Im not talking about 2015 with Rondo or Love BS absolute crp lies... I want to make the team faster younger more athletci right now--change the culture in this offseason. We can make this a fun exciting team for Melo--and we can be a lot better if we forward think. If Dolan is selling starphicking--it wont Melo will read it and leave.

But the cap number is real. Our flexibility, or lack there of, will be real.

And Melo's age and minutes logged are real, and going to catch up with him.

We simply don't have enough assets in the short term to resign Melo and be on the road to an increasingly competitive team.

We might erase this year from memory, but I don't see us getting back to the 50 win production within the lifetime of Melo's resigned, maxed out Knick deal, should that happen.

move amare for gordon + evans.
move bargs + thjr for larry sanders.
move tyson for bench depth.

The Knicks never understand value.

Melo for Blake could have got done. We waited now we are in a tailspin.

Chandler has value, perceived in my opinion but we could have gotten rebuilding pieces. Fail.

Shumpert had value. Now he has none.

The Knicks never look at role players. Nate Robinson for a year or Smith for three? No brainer.

Barnes, Collison, Bellinelli, blacte there are a ton of guys that would have been productive players.

This sums up our organization. Everyone understood that Amare with melo and chandler doesn't mix. So they essentially went out and got a big as bad on defense that shoots 3 pointers at a below average clip and rebounds like a point guard. Compound that they gave up a first round pick. Unbelievable.

There is no move A. This team sucks. Will always suck and will always manage to ruin basketball

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:Briggs - I want to agree. I think Melo has been fantastic this year.

But the cap number is real. Our flexibility, or lack there of, will be real.

And Melo's age and minutes logged are real, and going to catch up with him.

We simply don't have enough assets in the short term to resign Melo and be on the road to an increasingly competitive team.

We might erase this year from memory, but I don't see us getting back to the 50 win production within the lifetime of Melo's resigned, maxed out Knick deal, should that happen.

the only reason would be poor management. It can certainly be done.

I think you could swap out our FO for San Antonios - with the present assets, cap room, draft picks - near term (e.g., next 2-3 years) there isn't enough to turn Melo & filler into anything other than what we have right now. Maybe you can squeek into the play offs again. But are we going to challenge for a second round series? I don't think see.

BRIGGS wrote:No matter what people say in the media or here--keeping Carmelo and changing the rest of the team would be the best move. If we can trade Shump and Chandler for two 1's in this draft--bring in a Patty Mills for the MLE--we can set up much better for 2015. I wouldnt even care about the W -L. With a new set of PG's bringing back Amare Bargs maybe if we can grab an Aaron Gordon out of the drfat a young PG to go with an improved THJ

Guys that HAVE to go--bad seeds or terrible players fo this team

Shumpert(why in the hell did they not take a pick from OKC???? moronic>>??) J R S,mith--hes a ****ing looney bird Felton--played out done Chandler--done hell be good still somewhere else

No one is taking Stoudemire and Bargs--atleast not yet--so if we can get some youth out of the draft--we can certainly work with it for a year.

This is the way Id go the way Id sell Melo--Im not talking about 2015 with Rondo or Love BS absolute crp lies... I want to make the team faster younger more athletci right now--change the culture in this offseason. We can make this a fun exciting team for Melo--and we can be a lot better if we forward think. If Dolan is selling starphicking--it wont Melo will read it and leave.

Melo's not sticking around here for no rebuilding project, cmon dude lets get real.

He needs a real savvy pg, some heady vets and some men that are about there business..yeah you can throw in a few prospects too, but this roster needs to be structured around smart vets (similar to last yr) that won't break down..

Those young kids will have there time..Melo is about his business all the way around, you can't sell star vets on bringing in young boys so they can have an exciting team, sell that to some player on his second contract, not there 4th....

We have to start by getting a coach that has a damn plan and knows how to get the best out of his players..woodson is no better then byron scott, give them a great pg and there all good, give them a team where they actually have to coach and their clueless

BRIGGS wrote:No matter what people say in the media or here--keeping Carmelo and changing the rest of the team would be the best move. If we can trade Shump and Chandler for two 1's in this draft--bring in a Patty Mills for the MLE--we can set up much better for 2015. I wouldnt even care about the W -L. With a new set of PG's bringing back Amare Bargs maybe if we can grab an Aaron Gordon out of the drfat a young PG to go with an improved THJ

Guys that HAVE to go--bad seeds or terrible players fo this team

Shumpert(why in the hell did they not take a pick from OKC???? moronic>>??) J R S,mith--hes a ****ing looney bird Felton--played out done Chandler--done hell be good still somewhere else

No one is taking Stoudemire and Bargs--atleast not yet--so if we can get some youth out of the draft--we can certainly work with it for a year.

This is the way Id go the way Id sell Melo--Im not talking about 2015 with Rondo or Love BS absolute crp lies... I want to make the team faster younger more athletci right now--change the culture in this offseason. We can make this a fun exciting team for Melo--and we can be a lot better if we forward think. If Dolan is selling starphicking--it wont Melo will read it and leave.

Knicks22 wrote:
Its not just the money. He's played remarkably hard this year, compliments to him. HOwever - there are no assets in cap space or pick to 'build around him', and, much more importantly, what evidence is there that he can or will be able to work with others? Amare/MDA/Lin - all were ignored, or rebuffed.
We keep forgetting pre-injury how bad rthe chemistry was with Amare. Melo insisted ball go through him, no accomodation to MDA/Amare....... whose to say he would with any other star (even if they could get them here?)

Both parties would be better off with him elsewhere.

Melo and Amare played well together dude. It wasn't til Tyson Chandler came that Amare didn't fit anymore.